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To: Zuriel
IIRC, there is a statue of pioneers by the river. There are also many statues by the Mormon visitors center dedicated to the family. The one linked above is a statue that is actually at Carthage not Nauvoo and is of Joseph and his brother Hyrum.

>>But sometime, Lord willing, I shall return to Nauvoo’s ‘Mars Hill’ and testify the truth to whoever I may.

Fair enough as we send our missionaries to preach wherever Evangelicals live.

Actually there is one reason any FReeper worth their salt has to go to Nauvoo. For the collection of Browning guns (including his patents and machine gun) in the Browning gunsmith shop and home in Nauvoo. He was the most influntial inventor on modern weaponry and weapon systems in WWI and WWII. His patents were used in more weapon systems by the US military than any other inventor.

What I find interesting in this thread though is the fact that there is such ire raised over a threatening email while there is no mention of the circumstances of the Nauvoo exodus. Yes the SLC man is decidedly wrong and an idiot, especially for threatening a veteran.

For example, a 70 year old man was beaten to death on the steps of the original Nauvoo temple. He was left on the steps pleading for water for 2 days while he died from his head wounds. The mob wouldn't let anyone near him to help. The Winter Exodus occurred at gunpoint similar in manner to the Trail of Tears with a trail of blood left by the women and children in the snow. One woman crossed the river with her 2 and 4 year old, Then tied them to a tree so they wouldn't wander away and get lost while she went back accross the river to get her 6 year old. The historical record is plain on the atrocities committed against the Mormons there. Over 500 children ages 0-5 are buried at Winter Quarters Nebraska where they were forced to winter. Some anti-Mormons try to justify the actions against the Mormons with some arguments of moral equivalence. While there were wrongs committed on both sides any objective reader of history who cares to search the matter can find the truth.

Another example, some like to cite the fact that Smith destroyed a printing Press to show he was against Freedom of Speech. But they fail to mention the fact that a mob of non Mormons had already done it to the Mormons, tarring and feathering the printers and burning it down. They even took some potshots at young Mormon girls who ran away with some of the printing paper which the Doctrine and Covenants was printed on. Smith was wrong to destroy the press but it wasn't done in a vacuum.

>>>My wife just loves the old homes of the era, all the antique furnishings, etc. The fact that she didn’t want to do the tourist thing, and walk through them, was a clear sign to me of just how upset she was to the sad deception that took place there, and still does.

The primary mission of the Nauvoo tour guides is not proselyting but strengthening the testimony of members. Of course they will promote the Church to non members but that is not their primary focus. They are considered service missionaries rather than proselyting ones. The young men in suits are the ones dedicated to full time proselyting.

I've found both the Mormons and non Mormons there to be pretty friendly. The rest of the country could learn a thing or two about good Midwestern Values and Courtesy. Good luck Preaching in Nauvoo.

86 posted on 03/03/2008 12:23:32 PM PST by Rameumptom (Gen X= they killed 1 in 4 of us)
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To: Rameumptom
The primary mission of the Nauvoo tour guides is not proselyting but strengthening the testimony of members.

Can't have them LDS, Inc. members learning OTHER things about the starting of their faith. They might just become an ANTI.

91 posted on 03/03/2008 1:24:43 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Rameumptom; Elsie

**IIRC, there is a statue of pioneers by the river.**

Thanks for trying to find a pic, Elsie.

This may help get me over to Nauvoo sooner than planned! lol

IIRC, they were dapper dressed w/o hats with one gesturing across the river, and the other holding a monocular. I THINK one was supposed to be Young.

**..a 70 year old man was beaten to death..**

That’s terrible, but what’s the ‘rest of the story’? 70 years old is not too old to be criminal. I don’t approve of mob violence though.

I live near Monmouth, IL, where in 1841 Mr. Smith was brought before Judge Stephen Douglas for an extradition hearing on murder charges in Missouri. But Missouri couldn’t extradite him because the statute of limitations had run out.

My dad used to remind me, “Most of the problems we have, we bring on ourselves.”
I believe Mr. Smith was a victim of his own ‘cunning craftiness’ (Eph. 4:14). The historical records certainly fail to show him as a humble servant of God. The historical records do show him to have a thirst for power on this earth.

**I’ve found both the Mormons and non Mormons there to be pretty friendly.**

There’s nice folk everywhere. I’ve known a real sweet lady that is buddist, a super polite coworker that claims atheism. Yet, God sets the rules for entering into the kingdom of heaven.

**Good luck Preaching in Nauvoo.**

If God be for me, who can be against me! (that’s the key,...God).


94 posted on 03/04/2008 7:07:33 PM PST by Zuriel (Acts 2:38,39....nearly 2,000 years and still working today!)
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