She couldn't have been always sinless, at least if you believe scripture.
Rom 5:11 And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.
Rom 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
That is exactly what John was addressing here:
1Jn 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
1Jn 1:9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1Jn 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His Word is not in us.
Mary could not have been created sinless. It's impossible. I've quoted multiple scriptures to show this is so. She could not be made sinless without the sacrifice of Christ. If she did, then Christ was a liar. He did not die for our sins.
You're saying that she was sinless BEFORE Christ was ever sacrificed. You're saying that the sacrifice of Christ was a done deal, there was no doubt it was going to happen, there was no gamble because God went ahead and made Mary sinless BEFORE it happened. Again that makes his sacrifice into a show, a sham. If there wasn't a possibility he could fail (and there wasn't under this theology) then Christ is meaningless. God could have had a cow sacrificed and then extended salvation to everyone because he had already determined that it was going to work by making Mary sinless.
1Jn 3:5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
He was manifested to take away our sins. Mary's sins weren't taken away BEFORE he was manifested.
What you're espousing is at best created, man centered logic that has no basis in scripture and at worst outright heresy.
“My apologies.” Not accepted. Deliberately creating straw men - here again really - shows you are not interested in honest debate. Mock apologies simply don’t cut it.
I am very interested in honest debate and don't believe that I'm creating a straw man argument about Marian worship...and especially not about Mary having no sin.
You wrote:
“She couldn’t have been always sinless, at least if you believe scripture.”
Sure she can and nothing in scripture contradicts that. Again, what you keep ignoring because it ruins your arguments: http://socrates58.blogspot.com/2007/03/all-have-sinned-mary.html
“That is exactly what John was addressing here:”
Neither were discussing the Virgin Mary. Again: http://socrates58.blogspot.com/2007/03/all-have-sinned-mary.html
“Mary could not have been created sinless. It’s impossible.”
Something is impossible for God?
“I’ve quoted multiple scriptures to show this is so.”
No, you have misused scripture in an attempt to overturn truth while assiduously ignoring evidence against your claims.
“She could not be made sinless without the sacrifice of Christ. If she did, then Christ was a liar. He did not die for our sins.”
Yet another straw man!!!!!!!!! Who here is claiming that Mary was sinless WITHOUT Christ’s sacrifice? Who? I have never, EVER, claimed any such thing. I really don’t take it personally that you disagree with orthodoxy. I do take it personally when you flat out lie about what I have said or about what Catholics believe. Why lie? And here’s the proof: multiple times I have said Mary was sinless because of Christ’s death on the cross, His sacrifice. Multiple times I have said this! See the following examples AGAIN:
Post #269: Mary was always sinless, but she was made sinless by the grace won on the cross by Christ. Christ was Mary’s Savior too, only He saved her FIRST.
Post #256: Mary was made sinless by Christ’s grace. That only resulted from His death. Christ’s death was so momentous a sacrifice that it effects souls before it and after it in time.
Post #249: Christ saved Mary from sinfulness with His grace.
Post #240: We are not making Mary sinless. CHRIST’S GRACE made Mary sinless.
So far you have tried multiple straw men, quoting only half a statement to make it look like it supports you and now you’re just flat out lying. And yet, incredibly, you wrote:
“I am very interested in honest debate and don’t believe that I’m creating a straw man argument about Marian worship...and especially not about Mary having no sin.”
Incredible. Then why lie about what I said and what we believe? Christ saved Mary. He saved her through the grace He won on the cross. His sacrifice was so perfect that it is timeless and helps those in the past and in the future for God has no time!