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Orthodox and Catholic Churches are allies, (Orthodox) Bishop Hilarion says
CNA ^ | 4/24/2008

Posted on 04/24/2008 2:55:06 AM PDT by markomalley

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To: FourtySeven
I’m sure there must be some things we Catholics can (and should) concede to the Orthodox

One such thing would be to simply note that the late dogmas are a product of councils that did not include the Orthodox, and therefore are local Latin beliefs, consistent with Orthodoxy but not detailed with such precision by it. I wouldn't even call it concession.

The Orthodox, on the other hand, would be well advised to note that the body of scholastic thought produced in the West, -- I am talking of the procession of the Holy Ghost, original sin, limbo, venial/mortal sin distinctions, -- is not strictly speaking dogmatic, and can be assessed critically by the Orthodox in light of their own theological tradition.

21 posted on 04/25/2008 10:41:06 AM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: Boagenes
So where do we get a council of equals today?

That would depend on what needs to be decided, wouldn't it?

A council of local Bishops is all that is needed to deal with local issues.

Questions that concern the entire Church and that have not previously been answered by the Seven Ecumenical Councils would require an Ecumenical Council comprised of the 5 ancient Patriarchates at the very least.

22 posted on 04/25/2008 2:21:51 PM PDT by FormerLib (Sacrificing our land and our blood cannot buy protection from jihad.-Bishop Artemije of Kosovo)
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To: annalex
I think Lutherans are closest to Catholics in the Protestant world. In fact, I think this is why the Pope greeted the head of the Lutheran Church (actually it was the ELCA which is descending into liberal madness - I'm LCMS and they're much more conservative...though I wonder for how much longer) first, after greeting the Eastern Orthodox representatives, at the ecumenical gathering when he was here.

Luther never wanted to split from the Catholic Church or create his own denomination. Our liturgy is essentially the same the as the Catholic liturgy, so are our hymns. We also believe in the real presence (though not transubstantiation - we leave it more open than that, as the presence of Christ "in, with, and under" the bread and wine - without specifying in what manner). However, we have only two Sacraments - those with visible, outward signs - Baptism and Communion.

I think Lutherans would come back into the fold before any of the other Protestant denominations because as you have noticed, some of them are completely out there and reject any and all trappings of the Church or the Sacraments.

23 posted on 04/25/2008 3:20:30 PM PDT by Boagenes (I'm your huckleberry, that's just my game.)
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To: FourtySeven
I don't know if I have any more clarity to offer, but one thing that upsets me tremendously is to watch Christian disunity in the face of radical Islam that is on the march, and a militant atheism and secularism that threatens us all. As much as I can bicker, I hate to see Christian bickering.

Christians need unity, and I believe that means a single head of the Church, too, in some fashion, to speak for "Christendom". I think that it is effective to have such a figurehead (though as I said, I see a downside to it, as well). But one thing that "shames us" in front of the world, is our disunity. I'm just not sure how the Christian world would ever achieve such unity.

24 posted on 04/25/2008 3:24:57 PM PDT by Boagenes (I'm your huckleberry, that's just my game.)
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I hope so, but I think individual conversions form diverse Protestant denominations are more likely to be the norm.

those with visible, outward signs - Baptism and Communion

But you have marriages and confessions, do you not? On the other hand, annointment of the sick and confirmation are with the visible signs, and marriage has a physical sign as well, even though it is usually done in private...

25 posted on 04/25/2008 3:54:18 PM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: annalex
We do not have confession, we have a general confession where the entire congregation kneels - we confess our sins directly to God. The pastor announces absolution after the general confession.

As to the Sacraments, we see Baptism as having the visible sign of the water, and Communion has the visible sign of the bread and wine. Confession is not a sacrament because there is no visible sign. Marriage...well, okay, maybe you have a point...but that part doesn't happen in the Church...

I don't know if we have anointing of the sick, but if we do, I don't believe it's considered a sacrament.

26 posted on 04/25/2008 5:43:18 PM PDT by Boagenes (I'm your huckleberry, that's just my game.)
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