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SELF-GOVERNMENT - MYSTERIES... ADAM, OUR FATHER AND OUR GOD
Journal of Discourses ^ | APRIL 9, 1852 | Mormon Prophet Brigham Young

Posted on 05/08/2008 7:35:38 PM PDT by P-Marlowe

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To: Godzilla
We now return to our regularly scheduled freeping.

Thank you for your contribution, kind sir.

21 posted on 05/08/2008 8:25:43 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: P-Marlowe

Funny, not one Mormon would like to comment on the words of their prophet.


22 posted on 05/08/2008 8:29:04 PM PDT by colorcountry (To anger a conservative, lie to him. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: colorcountry; greyfoxx39; Colofornian; Godzilla
Funny, not one Mormon would like to comment on the words of their prophet.

Be nice.

Give them time.

Right after I first read this sermon (when I was a Senior in High School), I was suddenly no longer a Mormon.

23 posted on 05/08/2008 8:31:20 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: P-Marlowe
When the Elders of Israel leave this place,and go forth among the wicked, it is not their privilege to mingle withthem in any of their worldly exercises; for if they do, the devil will obtainan advantage over them, and succeed in drawing them away from the path oftheir duty. For instance-suppose you and I, with many more of the brethren,meet together in a convenient place in the Valley, and dance to the sweetstrains of the violin: we could do so with a perfect good will: but if weshould be called to England, and there have an invitation to join with thewicked in their pastimes and recreations, and we in our feelings bow downto this, and suffer our spirits to be subject to their commandments, wesuffer ourselves to be ruled over by them, and at once become their servants

Why I declare, it sounds to me as if the Lord, through his Prophet, thinks the English are wicked.

24 posted on 05/08/2008 8:31:21 PM PDT by colorcountry (To anger a conservative, lie to him. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: colorcountry
Why I declare, it sounds to me as if the Lord, through his Prophet, thinks the English are wicked.

Have you been to England lately?

25 posted on 05/08/2008 8:32:29 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: P-Marlowe

: )


26 posted on 05/08/2008 8:34:08 PM PDT by colorcountry (To anger a conservative, lie to him. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Godzilla
:^) You be flyin' in that 'ilky' way, Inman! ... Now back to dive, Dive DIVE!
27 posted on 05/08/2008 8:35:17 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: MHGinTN

Thank you for your contribution, kind sir.


28 posted on 05/08/2008 8:39:37 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: MHGinTN

Don’t forget to shut that screen door!


29 posted on 05/08/2008 8:43:54 PM PDT by Godzilla (I'm out of my mind, but feel free to leave a message.)
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To: P-Marlowe

Why do God and the angels speak in archaic English?


30 posted on 05/08/2008 8:44:46 PM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Godzilla
Glub glub glub ... now you tell me!
31 posted on 05/08/2008 8:52:15 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: P-Marlowe

From the sermon, “When our father Adam came into the garden of Eden, he came into it with a celestial body, and brought Eve, one of his wives, with him. He helped to make and organize this world. He is MICHAEL, the Archangel, the ANCIENT OF DAYS! about whom holy men have written and spoken-He is our FATHER andour GOD, and the only God with whom WE have to do.”
And this is based upon what?


32 posted on 05/08/2008 8:56:02 PM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: count-your-change
And this is based upon what?

Brigham Young was a Prophet.

I guess you'll just have to take him at his word.

33 posted on 05/08/2008 9:03:10 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: P-Marlowe

Head spinning...

Dizzy..........


34 posted on 05/08/2008 9:32:28 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: greyfoxx39

Thank you...

Already have pretty spots before my eyes...


35 posted on 05/08/2008 9:33:32 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Tennessee Nana; greyfoxx39; colorcountry; MHGinTN; Godzilla; Colofornian
Head spinning... Dizzy..........

Thank you for your input.

When I was a young Mormon, we used to stand up in church once a month and give our testimonies. Before I read this sermon as a Senior in High School I would often stand up in Church and recite something like this:

"I know that the Book of Mormon is True. I know that the LDS church is the only true church on the earth. I know that Joseph Smith was a True Prophet of God. I know that Brigham Young was a True Prophet of God. I know that David O Mckay is God's living Prophet upon the earth."

Right after I read this sermon, I was no longer able to say such things.

This is a powerful sermon.

It changed my life.

36 posted on 05/08/2008 9:46:07 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: P-Marlowe

“Since some people have been accused of quoting Mormon prophets and apostles out of context, I think it is important that whole sermons preached by these men be posted.”

Since the only thing people appear to be allowed to post is the Mormon side of things, I believe you are right. Fortunately, those whole sermons speak for themselves.

I have tried to give first hand original accounts, based on the writings of both Gentiles and Mormons.

Parley P. Pratt - full Mormon
Ann Young - born Mormon, 19th wife to Brigam Young
Mrs Stenton “Tell It All” - full Mormon convert turned Apostate
Ebeneezer Robinson - full Mormon, even responsible for printing on his own the third prining of the BOM
The Nauvoo Expositor, all editors being recent Mormons
Governor Ford - non-Mormon
Reed Peck - full Mormon who lapsed after being jailed at Liberty
the Mormon War Letters (archive state of Missouri)

Unfortunately, quoting people who were there first hand now seems impermissible because the truth is embarassing and is therefore “bashing”. Once you start down this path though, where do you stop? If one is a basher for pointing out that philosophies pulled out of a hat by looking through a peepstonew are highly suspect to the point of being ludicrous, what logic could ever prevail?

If I believe 2 + 2 = 5 because it was handed down to me by a dead Jewish Indian on Golden Tablets, should I be allowed to design a jet airline? Apparently that is the slope we are on.


37 posted on 05/08/2008 9:52:24 PM PDT by FastCoyote (I am intolerant of the intolerable.)
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If one is a basher for pointing out that philosophies pulled out of a hat by looking through a peepstonew are highly suspect to the point of being ludicrous, what logic could ever prevail?

As Jesus said: "where are those thine accusers?"

Obviously not on this thread.

But it's still early.

38 posted on 05/08/2008 10:03:16 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: gogov
Don’t lie. You can change someone’s ALL CAPS bad style when you post a headline.

I just posted the sermon exactly as it was printed in the original. If you don't believe me, then follow the link at the top of the sermon.

Are you allergic to ALL CAPS?

Are you a disgruntled ex-Telegraph operator?

I don't understand why the caps bother you so much.

Sorry if I offended you with all the caps.

can i make it up to you by not capitalizing anything?

And again, stop lying. It is a sin.

This is the religion forum. Personal attacks are discouraged.

BTW how did you like the sermon?

40 posted on 05/08/2008 10:26:47 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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