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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Either men elect themselves by their good work and clever decision to believe,

This same topic is being discussed in my Sunday School class, and came up last night also. Your comment here is almost verbatim what a Calvinist believer said, IMO, it is rather a misrepresentation of those that don't believe Calvin.

How would you read Rom. 8:29 and Titus 2:11.

My Sunday School Teacher posted this list on the board. I'd be interested in your thoughts:

The Order of Salvation

1. calling
2. REgeneration
3. Faith, repentance
4. Justification
5. Adoption
6. Sanctification
7. Persverance
8. Glorification

Becky

5,957 posted on 06/16/2008 6:40:15 AM PDT by PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
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To: PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
The reformed believe that nothing precedes God's determining creative will. What God ordained from before the foundation of the world will come to pass, according to His plan for creation. In that plan, He knows whom He has elected to be members of His family and whom He has not, based on no "good works" found within the creature, but based solely on His good pleasure alone.

When God looks at His family, He sees Christ within them; a gift from God to His children.

Therefore, we think the thoughts of God after Him.

ORDUS SALUTIS

As you can read in this link, the Calvinist order of salvation differs from the Arminian order (which is the same as the RCC's order BTW), most especially by presenting election as first on the list. God determines who will receive His gift of faith, whose eyes He will open, whose heart will be given understanding, whose mind will be renewed.

That's why it's all unmerited mercy, and not debt. That's why regeneration precedes faith.

"For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth" -- Romans 9:11

So the Calvinist order would be...

1) election, 2) predestination, 3) gospel call 4) inward call 5) regeneration, 6) conversion (faith & repentance), 7) justification, 8) sanctification, and 9) glorification.

Regarding "foreknow" here's an excellent understanding by Pastor John Samson...

FOREKNOWLEDGE

And here's lots more essays on the subject...

ORDER OF SALVATION

I especially like this one by A.A. Hodge...

THE ORDO SALUTUS

No one needs to possess this understanding in order to be saved. But it feels very much like another gift from God to His family, reminding them that they were loved by God before they loved Him.

"To God only wise, be glory through Jesus Christ for ever." -- Romans 16:27

6,302 posted on 06/16/2008 3:54:59 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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