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The logical inconsistency of this is striking. On the one hand, you say that your 2.1 degree solar lag theory is only true if there is no moon, while on the other hand the Sun is off by 2.1 degrees during a solar eclipse anyway. It is evident, then, that it matters not one whit to you whether "the model" (i.e., "the excuse", "the distraction", "the waste of time") is true or false.

Your willful ignorance is striking. I am almost stunned at your seeming inability to understand that because of the distances involved it takes light a little over 8.3 minutes to reach your eyes from the sun and it takes light a little over a second to reach your eyes from the moon.

I know that you think light is instantaneous. That is the only explanation for your thinking that the sun, moon and stars are exactly where you see them. It also explains why you believe in the creation myth and the Bible. I am sorry but I can't cure your ignorance if you are unwilling to learn.

"Your willful ignorance is striking. I am almost stunned at your seeming inability to understand that because of the distances involved it takes light a little over 8.3 minutes to reach your eyes from the sun and it takes light a little over a second to reach your eyes from the moon.

I know that you think light is instantaneous. That is the only explanation for your thinking that the sun, moon and stars are exactly where you see them. It also explains why you believe in the creation myth and the Bible. I am sorry but I can't cure your ignorance if you are unwilling to learn."

This is a strawman.

Neither mrjesse, ECO or myself question the measured distance from the earth to either the sun or the moon.

Nor do we question the speed of light.

And because the moon is orbiting the earth, it will not appear exactly where it is. (i.e. there will be some light time correction.)

Pure strawman.

The logical inconsistency of this is striking. On the one hand, you say that your 2.1 degree solar lag theory is only true if there is no moon, while on the other hand the Sun is off by 2.1 degrees during a solar eclipse anyway. It is evident, then, that it matters not one whit to you whether Your willful ignorance is striking. I am almost stunned at your seeming inability to understand that because of the distances involved it takes light a little over 8.3 minutes to reach your eyes from the sun and it takes light a little over a second to reach your eyes from the moon.

I know that you think light is instantaneous. That is the only explanation for your thinking that the sun, moon and stars are exactly where you see them. It also explains why you believe in the creation myth and the Bible. I am sorry but I can't cure your ignorance if you are unwilling to learn.

We have always freely granted that the sun appears displaced by about 20 arcseconds due to stellar aberration. But when you talk about 2.1 degrees - when we say "It appears exactly where it is" we are talking about your 2.1 degrees (which is some over 7 thousand arcseconds - not 20 ). The accusations you make are most dishonest.

I'm stunned that you think that Jupiter is optically lagged about 60 degrees from where it really is. I know you believe that if a stationary star were 12 light-hours away, it would appear in the night sky when it was on the other side of the world. But I guess this helps me understand why you believe that "All from nothing" myth.

-Jesse