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Evangelicals: Change of Heart toward Catholics
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| July 28, 2008
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Posted on 07/29/2008 4:39:52 PM PDT by annalex
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To: redgolum
My fear is that there are not enough orthodox Catholics and to many Rick Warren style Evangelicals to turn this country back from the abyss. So's mine.
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posted on
07/29/2008 5:45:48 PM PDT
by
annalex
(http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
To: HarleyD
There isnt much difference in the Church/church today than the American Red Cross.Speak for your own "Church/church" there, chester.
The Catholic Church--as founded by Christ circa AD 32--has made no errors on the Gospel message...just as He promised.
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posted on
07/29/2008 5:51:54 PM PDT
by
Petronski
(Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
To: Petronski
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posted on
07/29/2008 5:54:27 PM PDT
by
silentreignofheroes
(Old Dogs and Children,and Watermelon Wine.)
To: silentreignofheroes
Why do you ask? Were you trying to prick me?
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posted on
07/29/2008 5:57:27 PM PDT
by
Petronski
(Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
To: Petronski
No , just don’t be so defensive. There’s no reason , is there ?
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posted on
07/29/2008 6:04:39 PM PDT
by
silentreignofheroes
(Old Dogs and Children,and Watermelon Wine.)
To: Petronski
I’m not presuming to speak for Harley D here, but, if I read his comment correctly he was referring more to the bane of the “social gospel” than anything else. redgolum made a similar comment and annalex agreed, that the fear is there aren’t enough Orthodox Catholics and too many “purpose driven” evangelicals out there that the Gospel message is being missed.
Your defenses are often snappy, well thought out, and often funny. I think you jumped the gun this time, though.
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posted on
07/29/2008 6:13:30 PM PDT
by
raynearhood
("As for you, when wide awake you are asleep, and asleep when you write..." - Jerome)
To: raynearhood
I’ll tell you quite frankly and bluntly, regardless what other Catholics might have said (or been understood to have said) that the gulf between the Catholic Church and the Red Cross is measured not so much in distance—for it is too far—but rather more in time, for light only travels at ~186,282 miles per second...
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posted on
07/29/2008 6:19:18 PM PDT
by
Petronski
(Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
To: silentreignofheroes
Don’t be so defensive?
It was you who implied I had been pricked.
I hadn’t noticed, and still cannot tell, what you mean.
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posted on
07/29/2008 6:21:01 PM PDT
by
Petronski
(Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
To: annalex
What a wonderful, encouraging article!
Thank you for posting it!
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posted on
07/29/2008 6:35:00 PM PDT
by
sneakers
(Liberty is the answer to the human condition.)
To: wagglebee; who_would_fardels_bear
Couldn't agree more. (Plus the anti-Catholic undercurrent in all Charles Kingsley's otherwise splendid adventure books always distressed me, so I was glad to see him get his comeuppance.)
As a renegade Episcopalian turned Catholic, Newman spoke to me where I lived.
Also, since I was a history major, his statement "To be deep in history is to cease to be a Protestant" really hit home with me. I read 16th-17th English history, which had landed me right in the middle of the Counter-Reformation. It only took me 30 years to get the message . . . one of God's stubborn wayward sheep.
Another good book for Episcopalians/Anglicans thinking about taking the plunge into the Tiber is This is The Faith by Canon Francis Ripley.
He was the head of the Catholic Missionary Society in London, so he naturally gauged his argument and reasoning towards Anglicans!
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posted on
07/29/2008 6:36:07 PM PDT
by
AnAmericanMother
(Ministrix of ye Chase, TTGS Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
To: raynearhood
Im not presuming to speak for Harley D here, but, if I read his comment correctly he was referring more to the bane of the social gospel than anything else. redgolum made a similar comment and annalex agreed, that the fear is there arent enough Orthodox Catholics and too many purpose driven evangelicals out there that the Gospel message is being missed. There is a faithful remnant.
Listen to one of our services.
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posted on
07/29/2008 6:36:16 PM PDT
by
Bosco
(Remember how you felt on September 11?)
To: annalex; Petronski; NYer
7. Secularism. With the collapse of the Mainline churches as the backbone of American religion over the past thirty years (since about 1975), Catholics and Evangelicals are the only ones left standing in this country to present the Gospel. Secularism is on the rise and is ruthless. Evangelicals are now learning that only Catholicism has the intellectual resources to combat the present secular age. And, with the pope, we have a pretty effective means for communicating the faith and representing it to the world. There is nothing an Evangelical can do that will match the power of one World Youth Day.
A moment of wretched honesty on my part. I watched World Youth Day from a distance - mostly from the threads posted by NYer - and I felt a bit of the terrible sting of envy. There is no doubt that there were tons of young Catholics being taught and/or exposed to traditional Catholicism in an exciting way. I wish I could see Reformation theology being presented in a similar way.
Promise Keepers was supposed to do that for Christian fathers and husbands, but ended up highjacked by the "purpose driven" evangelicals. There used to be great traveling Youth Convention called CYI (Christ in Youth). As a young Bible College student, I worked with this group, organizing, making flyers, putting together packets. It was a great success for a couple years in the late 90's... also highjacked.
The problem, in my opinion, isn't that "evangelicals" can't do anything, it's what "evangelicals" have become. It would be wonderful to see a return to sound theology by evangelicals from the social theology they presently follow. I know of no Reformed Christian that accepts the "purpose driven" drivel. I think that Catholics and Reformed Christians would have a tougher time reconciling, as our theology tends to be diametrically opposed.
Of course, I still think that we should have sane debate over our differences, as opposed to some of the stuff that goes on here, on other forums, and in the "marketplace." Call me crazy, but I like sane debate.
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posted on
07/29/2008 6:43:20 PM PDT
by
raynearhood
("As for you, when wide awake you are asleep, and asleep when you write..." - Jerome)
To: Bosco
A Review of and Response to "Evangelicals and Catholics Together: The Christian Mission in the Third Millennium Here's a quote that summarizes ECT:
The simple fact is that any honest Protestant or Roman Catholic can see that this document, for all its assiduous claims otherwise, compromises both the Roman Catholic and Protestant positions. Both sides have to admit that one can not firmly believe that the message he preaches from his pulpit is true and believe that the message preached by the other is equally true. The contradictions are too large to be hidden by the language of a document such as this.
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posted on
07/29/2008 6:44:05 PM PDT
by
Bosco
(Remember how you felt on September 11?)
To: annalex
I am a Christian whose vehicle is Catholicism. To put aside internal bickering would be a godsend.
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posted on
07/29/2008 7:00:53 PM PDT
by
stevio
(Crunchy Con - God, guns, guts, and organically grown crunchy nuts.)
To: diamond6
It would be a real blessing if both Catholics and Protestants did stop fighting on this site and realized that we must stand together in a increasing secular and dark world.
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posted on
07/29/2008 7:20:54 PM PDT
by
Biggirl
(A biggirl with a big heart for God's animal creation, with 4 cats in my life as proof. =^..^==^..^=)
To: Bosco
I agree with the quote. There are too many differences. And chief among them is the teaching about Mary.
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posted on
07/29/2008 8:04:56 PM PDT
by
LiteKeeper
(Beware the secularization of America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
To: annalex
Evangelicals are now learning that only Catholicism has the intellectual resources to combat the present secular age. Uh, no. John MacArthur, R.C. Sproul, Ravi Zacharias, William Lane Craig, JP Moreland, Gary Habermas, Alvin Plantinga...to name just a few, are some of the best minds in America, perhaps in the world...and they are all Evangelicals.
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posted on
07/29/2008 8:10:30 PM PDT
by
LiteKeeper
(Beware the secularization of America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
To: annalex
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posted on
07/29/2008 9:31:21 PM PDT
by
Salvation
(†With God all things are possible.†)
To: LiteKeeper
I heard of one or two of them, but the question is not that the Evangelicals are not smart but that their theology, by definition anti-clerical, is not a sufficient resource to combat secularism.
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posted on
07/29/2008 9:42:23 PM PDT
by
annalex
(http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
To: annalex
Anti-clericalism was supported by the founding fathers (including Jefferson, Adams, and Franklin) because they knew how the clerisy had corrupted earlier experiments in Republicanism and were partially responsible for the wars of religion that all but decimated Britain and the continent.
It was the politicized clergy and hostility to Republicanism by the Catholic Church that caused said Church to be hated by many American citizens for years. It was only through assimilation (and adaptation of American Republicanism) that Catholics became accepted.
Clerical-influenced governments and quasi-theocracies are as hostile toward our Republic as communism and Mohammadism. Some of us prefer Washington and Jefferson's America over Salazar's Portugal and Franco's Spain.
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posted on
07/29/2008 9:47:38 PM PDT
by
Clemenza
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