Posted on 08/21/2008 7:49:14 AM PDT by NYer
“I pray a lot and cry.”
The “baptism of tears”; +Symeon the New Theologian called it one of the greatest blessings.
Wonderful article. Thanks.
Really? My mistake I guess. What then did you mean by "It seems to me that converts from paganism often find more joy in Catholic Christianity than in Protestantism", if not a quantity of joy?
When a claim is made that x (joy found by pagans converting to Catholicism) is greater than y (joy found by pagans converting to Protestantism), a claim of something quantifiable has been made. At least here in the English language.
But, in all honesty, I believed your comment to be merely a statement of opinion, not at all something objective. Your response confirmed that. And I have no problem with your opinion, given that I recognize it for what it is.
You wrote:
“What then did you mean by “It seems to me that converts from paganism often find more joy in Catholic Christianity than in Protestantism”, if not a quantity of joy?”
I meant what I wrote, and it is not quantifiable.
“When a claim is made that x (joy found by pagans converting to Catholicism) is greater than y (joy found by pagans converting to Protestantism), a claim of something quantifiable has been made. At least here in the English language.”
No. I said: “It seems to me that converts from paganism often find more joy in Catholic Christianity than in Protestantism.” You have altered what I said by claiming that I said the joy was found by pagans converting to Catholicism or to Protestantism. I said “in”, not “to”. The joy is not what they experience within themselves as only related to a personal experience within themselves, but what they discover IN the Catholic faith itself. And that cannot be quantified specifically. It can only be said to be more.
“But, in all honesty, I believed your comment to be merely a statement of opinion, not at all something objective.”
I did say “seems”.
“Your response confirmed that. And I have no problem with your opinion, given that I recognize it for what it is.”
Then, if you have no problem with my opinion, why did you alter the meaning of what I said? You did so when you first wrote: “Does one’s self report of joy in their decision yield such quantifiable results?”
Vlad - you used the language of comparison of amounts, not me. I wondered how you arrived at it, and you have answered quite clearly - you simply assert it to be true.
No problem here.
That is so funny..... so very true.
Do you have a similar list for “outreach” to non-Catholic Christians?
You wrote:
“Do you have a similar list for “outreach” to non-Catholic Christians?”
There is no such list. Although there are plenty of former Protestants who do apologetics for the Catholic Church, I do not know of a single one who has an organization designed with the same sort of intent, or named in a similar fashion, to the ones I posted. Catholics just don’t seem to act that way.
LOL, You ROCK!
What a wonder convert story.
we have the Eucharist, which IS Christ!
Emphasis on “if.”
I have read the books of/about:
Scott Hahn
David Currie
Roy Scheinman
Jeff Cavins
Edith Stein
Steven Ray is next.
I'm sure you're familiar with this:
An anti-religion Minnesota biology professor expects to receive dozens of consecrated Communion wafers in response to his public solicitation that people send him the hosts in order that he may publicly desecrate them.
My question is this: Is he actually harming Jesus or is he just making an ass of himself with a cracker?
You might want to read Alex Jones’ story too.
What is your alternative? Which do you think is the Church that Christ founded?
-A8
well you ask Christ that.
Remember, Christ said that His Kingdom is not of this world, so when He was arrested His Father would not send down angels to His rescue. He was mocked because of this display of ‘weakness’.
In the ‘weakness’ of the Eucharist Christ’s glory is shown to those with a listening heart.
(btw... Paul also talks about sins against the Eucharist as sins against the Body of Christ)
Now, from my point of view, it is just bread and just wine and the significance is in the condition of the heart of the recipient.
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