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To: betty boop; CottShop; hosepipe; metmom; TXnMA
Thank you so much for your outstanding essay-post and all those interesting excerpts, dearest sister in Christ!

I would however that Barr had tackled the word "random" per se - that in the natural sciences, it really means "unpredictable." At the root, mathematics, one cannot say something is random in the system when he doesn't know what the system "is." And we do not know and can never know the full number and type of dimensions, e.g. space and time.

Concerning predestination, I do aver that no one and no thing can thwart the will of God.

Remember the former things of old: for I [am] God, and [there is] none else; [I am] God, and [there is] none like me, Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times [the things] that are not [yet] done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure: - Isaiah 46:9-10

And concerning free will, I do aver that within the un-thwart-able will of God, is His permissive will which allows us to choose whether to love Him, believe Him and trust Him - or not.

Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. - Matthew 22:37-38

Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. - John 5:24

Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths. - Proverbs 3:5-6

Because he hath set his love upon me, therefore will I deliver him: I will set him on high, because he hath known my name. - Psalms 91:14

To God be the glory!

725 posted on 02/13/2009 11:54:26 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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[[I would however that Barr had tackled the word “random” per se - that in the natural sciences, it really means “unpredictable.” At the root, mathematics, one cannot say something is random in the system when he doesn’t know what the system “is.” And we do not know and can never know the full number and type of dimensions, e.g. space and time.]]

Good point- We can’t comprehend or grasp the all knowing omniscience of God who would use a ‘total system’ made up of perhaps many smaller systems- the ‘total system’ would be the ‘metainformation system’ of creation that took every possible action into concideration before creation. (Not implying that God had to ‘concider’ anything, being bound to ‘discision making’ such as we are- I think natural facts and laws abotu everything simply dictated creation in an automatic fashion that didn’t require descision making- ugggh- leaping into another theological realm with that claim lol)


728 posted on 02/13/2009 12:20:42 PM PST by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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