Posted on 02/21/2009 6:09:00 AM PST by kindred
A man with many interesting theories. Sadly, he was totally sold out for the failed dispensational system. Most of his theories came about by applying the system to interpreting the Bible, not vice versa.
Bullinger's theology was extreme dispensationalism on which he wrote numerous articles which appeared in his Monthly Journal Things to Come . His name has become virtually synonymous with Hyper-dispensationalism. (Theopedia)Yah'shua is coming at the end of the sixth millennia (day)
Another interesting theory, lots of speculation, but not really supported directly from the Bible.
for the 1000 years (day) of rest and peace
Followed by an eternity of rest and peace?
My recommendation is that if you want to study a Bullinger, try Heinrich Bullinger. Much better theology.
” Why do you have to be so negative? Why do you mock and belittle your brethren? Where is your humility and patience?
Why can’t we all just get along? I think you need to check your motives, my friend.”
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I believe it also removed God’s hand of protection over America. One prophecy I read said that they saw an evil spirit in back of obama after he was elected and the spirit said, ‘now I have access.’ I believe also that as long as George Bush was in the White House, satan didn’t have access. Now he has access to all. PRAY.
Well, I’m almost 70 and it’s increased by sooo much since I was young.
I think that to mean that Israel will not cease to be again until that time. I could be wrong, but if I recall correctly “generation” meant something different from what we, today, take it to mean.
Perhaps someone whose Latin is a bit better than mine can explain how or if the meaning was lost in transliteration.
One prophecy I read said that they saw an evil spirit in back of 0bama after he was elected and the spirit said, ‘now I have access.’
Should I even bother to ask for book, chapter and verse?
The low hit rate of the modern soi disant "prophets" calls into doubt whether they have been called into God's presence and commissioned with a message for his ekklesia.
Just have them file it under "pot calling kettle black".
One prophecy I read said that Mussolini was the antichrist. Go figure.
Where do I file my complaint with the Prophets (Profits) Guild?
The word generation (Greek, genea) in the Bible means roughly what it means today; a people then living.
Jesus often addressed the “generation” of His contemporary Jews.
"But He answered and said to them, ‘An evil and adulterous generation seeks after a sign, and no sign will be given to it except the sign of the prophet Jonah.’" (Matt. 12:39) {The sign of Jesus’ resurrection was directly given to the generation of 1st century Jews.}
"Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation." (Matt. 23:36) {Jesus was speaking about that contemporary generation of Jews.}
This is confirmed in the Old Testament:
"So the Lord's anger was aroused against Israel, and He made them wander in the wilderness forty years, until all the generation that had done evil in the sight of the Lord was gone." (Numbers 32:13) {It took forty years for that generation who disobeyed God to die off in the wilderness.}
Perhaps someone whose Latin is a bit better than mine can explain how or if the meaning was lost in transliteration.
Latin??
From a biblical perspective, the “rapture” is simply the resurrection and changing of the body at Christ’s Second Coming from the believer’s standpoint. Those who have trusted in God’s Messiah from all time will be raised from the dead or changed in the twinkling of an eye at His appearance. Unbelievers will also be resurrected/changed at the same time, and so all men will change before the judgment seat of Christ, aka, the white throne judgment. At this time the sheep and goats will be separated. The sheep will enter into the eternal state in the blessing of their redemption through Christ. The goats will enter into an eternity of pain and suffering.
The corruption of the “rapture” doctrine came about when folks started teaching this it was a separate event chronologically from the Second Coming.
Um, no. It was a word from the Lord to this person, not written in the Bible. Duh.
Ohmigawd. People are really going to church without bringing their six-pound show bibles with them? Indeed, we ARE lukewarm.
Ohmigawd. People are really going to church without bringing their six-pound show bibles with them? Indeed, we ARE lukewarm.
BTW, if you want to see how confused folks are about the “rapture,” just ask them if Abraham, Moses, or David will be “raptured”.
Um, no. It was a word from the Lord to this person, not written in the Bible. Duh.
Lots of people hear voices. Why should I believe this one, especially at second (or farther) hand?
Repeat after me; modern Israel is not biblical Israel. Demonstration of that truth is trivial using the Bible alone.
I once owned a car called a “Cougar”. When I examined it I saw it did not have four legs and fur. I knew then it was not a real cougar. The only thing the cat and the car had in common was the name.
I think you meant to address grumpa.
There are two major problems with preterism. First, in order to support the notion of an A.D. 70 fulfillment of the large number of details surrounding the tribulation, preterists must use an unwarranted allegorical interpretative approach.
al•le•gor•i•cal (ăl'ĭ-gôr'ĭ-kəl, -gŏr'-) also al•le•gor•ic adj.Preterism is not based on allegorical interpretation. Anyone who asserts that it is either a) doesn’t understand preterism, or b) doesn’t understand allegories (or both).
- Of, characteristic of, or containing allegory: an allegorical painting of Victory leading an army.al•le•go•ry (ăl'ĭ-gôr'ē, -gōr'ē) n., pl. -ries.
1.
a. The representation of abstract ideas or principles by characters, figures, or events in narrative, dramatic, or pictorial form.
b. A story, picture, or play employing such representation. John Bunyan's Pilgrim's Progress and Herman Melville's Moby Dick are allegories.
2. A symbolic representation: The blindfolded figure with scales is an allegory of justice.
What confuses most people is some variation on definition 2 above, symbolical interpretation. But few people deny symbolical interpretation in the Bible, e.g., the beast and great whore of Revelation are both symbolical representations of something else.
A second major error of preterism is the confusion of judgment and salvation in relation to the nation of Israel.
This has nothing to do with preterism per se. All non-dispensational/futurist views of the end times deny the dispensational view of the Church and Israel, and that there is still some future catastrophic judgment awaiting national Israel where 2/3 of those Jews living in Israel will be killed. That is merely an interpretative fantasy that some folks get to by ignoring the significance of the events of AD70 in God’s covenant program for the nations.
“Why do you have to be so negative? Why do you mock and belittle your brethren? Where is your humility and patience?”
In all seriousness, I didn’t call Lee N. Field an idiot, fool, deceiver, numb scull, etc. for believing preterism (or rather amillenialism). I stated it was his poison.
Do you see the difference? A theology can be poisonous but I don’t have to belittle the person that believes it.
And who has used any of those terms, I'm just wondering?
Then of course there is the fact that you didn’t even take the time to actually figure out whether he was, in fact, a preterist. What that an exhibition of humility and patience, or were you were just looking for an opportunity to attack.
It’s not even clear you know the difference, e.g., “believing preterism (or rather amillenialism)”.
Jesus doesn’t like hypocrites.
It was a word from the Lord to this person, not written in the Bible. Duh.
Could I also suggest that you might to read R. Scott Clark's blog post series The Secret of Knowing God's Will (the most recent of which is linked here).
Much of contemporary evangelical piety (and too much contemporary Reformed piety) is taken up with the Quest for Illegitimate Religious Certainty (QIRC) and the Quest for illegitimate Religious Experience (QIRE—see Recovering the Reformed Confession for more on these two phenomena). In their own ways each is an attempt to know God and his will apart from his ordained means. The result is a two-sided tyranny.The first aspect of this tyranny is the fear that “I haven’t heard the still, small voice of God.” This leads to paralysis. It also leads to doubt. The logic is ruthless:
1. God still speaks outside of Scripture and gives direct guidance and revelation to Christians.
2. Christian X hasn’t received such guidance and revelation.
3. Christian X is either a) not really a Christian or b) doesn’t have sufficient faith or lacks the power of the Spirit etc.
Whatever the cause, the outcome of the logic is unhappy but what if the problem is not the second premise but the first? What if the first premise is flawed? Well, of course, that is what this whole series has been arguing. In fact we do not live in the canonical period, in redemptive history. The Red Sea has been parted. The tomb is empty. The canon is closed. We’ve seen how the Spirit operates through the Word and the sacraments, how he illumines the Word and how he gives wisdom to those who ask but perhaps you’re still in bondage because you’re waiting for the still, small voice? Quoth Bob Newhart: “Stop it!”
What if God’s will for your life was already revealed? Wouldn’t that be grand? Wouldn’t it be wonderful if you weren’t trapped in a circle waiting for God to speak but never really knowing if he has “spoken”? After all, how do you know if God has spoken directly to you? Is it an intuition? A hunch? Why does he seem to “speak” to others but not to me? Are there two classes of Christians? (those who receive special, extra-biblical revelations and those who do not?)
There are other questions the answers to which help relieve the crisis. Why is it that what God says so often sounds like what my revelation-receiving friend already thought? It’s remarkable how often God seems to agree with my revelation-receiving, still-small-voice hearing friend. As we read the whole of 1 Corinthians we see that Paul was quite opposed to the idea of two-classes of Christians. This is the problem with all forms of the “second blessing” theology. It necessarily creates two classes of Christians and yet it’s exactly contrary to Paul’s whole argument. All of us are members of the one body. Further, we’re all members of the one body, part of the one loaf of bread, as it were, in the post-canonical period.
The good news is that God has revealed himself in his Word. His will for your life is revealed. I can tell you what it is right now: trust Christ, love God, and love your neighbor (Matt 5).
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One glorious consequence of the biblical and Reformed doctrine of sola Scriptura is that we don’t have to pay attention either to the upper or lower case prophets. We are free in Christ. This argument goes back to the Reformed rejection of the Anabaptist movement. The Anabaptists replied by calling us “dead orthodox.” Fine. Whatever. Bluntly, if being “led by the Spirit” means running around Europe claiming revelations and starting revolutions (see Münster) then we can live without that thank you very much.
Of course “keeping in step with the Spirit” (Gal 5:22) has nothing to do with that sort of fanaticism. It means producing the fruit of the Spirit and we know what that is because God revealed it to everyone in Galatians 5! You don’t need a special gift to read God’s Word, trust it, and obey it. We’re free in Christ to obey God’s publicly revealed will and we’re free to ignore the spurious claims of all sorts of prophets. We’re not missing out. They don’t have anything we need. What we need is the moral will of God which is plainly revealed in the Word. What we need is the work of the Spirit to illumine that Word to us and to give us wisdom and the self-appointed prophets don’t have anything to do with that. You and I are free from the tyranny of human opinion because we are bound to the Word of God.
And a ping to Quixie, who should absorb this too.
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