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Does a woman still need to Pray with her head covered
16 Mar 09 | Mind Freed

Posted on 03/16/2009 11:28:45 AM PDT by Mind Freed

1 Corinthians 11:3-6

3Now I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God. 4Every man who prays or prophesies with his head covered dishonors his head. 5And every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head—it is just as though her head were shaved. 6If a woman does not cover her head, she should have her hair cut off; and if it is a disgrace for a woman to have her hair cut or shaved off, she should cover her head.


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To: heartwood

Fair question. I make no claim to being a theologian and you would be wiser to talk someone far smarter than me concerning this but I do like what John MacArthur writes in his commentary on this very verse:

“The conviction given here is not a command, but is thoroughly dependable and sound advice to remain a virgin, which is counsel included by the inspiration of the Spirit from a trustworthy man.” Courtesy of the MacArthur Study Bible.


41 posted on 03/16/2009 2:05:38 PM PDT by ReformationFan
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To: KosmicKitty

And today it’s gotten to the point that a lot of folks come in to church looking like they are wearing what they slept in the night before.


42 posted on 03/16/2009 2:07:35 PM PDT by ReformationFan
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To: ReformationFan; Mind Freed; heartwood

>> 1 Cor 7:25 Now about virgins: I have no command from the Lord, but I give a judgment as one who by the Lord’s mercy is trustworthy. <<

It’s not smart-alecky at all; In this verse, Paul gives a sense of his mode of inspiration. He is not writing revelation, but inspiration. The gospel is revelation, as were the ten commandments. In Paul, we have a human judgment which is assuredly correct, since Paul has been perfected by the Holy Spirit and his writings proven by the history of the Church. But we have to read the basis of his judgment. Both in declaring that women must have headcovering and men must not, he insisting people demonstrate respect by doing what their culture does to demonstrate respect. In applying it to our culture, we must consider what in our culture demonstrates a similar respect.

In our culture, I would argue that a headcovering may be a valid show of respect to people, but it may also seem like an alien imposition to others. I would also say that asking whether a woman must still have her head covered, while failing to ask whether a man must still have his head uncovered could be interpreted as a show of disrespect. I’ll presume Mind Freed meant none.

As a man, I would never leave my head covered when I entered a church. It’s the way I show respect to God. But I would never tell a woman to cover her head; that would be to show her disrespect.


43 posted on 03/16/2009 2:30:35 PM PDT by dangus
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To: ReformationFan

Isn’t that the truth

I still enjoy dressing up for church, seems more & more of life is casual


44 posted on 03/16/2009 2:58:24 PM PDT by KosmicKitty (WARNING: Hormonally crazed woman ahead!!)
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To: Mind Freed

I’m Catholic, and know a few women who do this.

I do not feel called to do it myself, but respect them doing so. They do not make a big deal of it; they pin a hankie to their hair as they enter the church.

I think it is a lovely devotion, but, as I said, I do not feel called to do it myself.


45 posted on 03/16/2009 3:12:10 PM PDT by mountainbunny
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To: 1rudeboy

She looked sooo beautiful in a veil.


46 posted on 03/16/2009 3:21:26 PM PDT by ichabod1 (I am rolling over in my grave and I am not even dead yet (GOP Poet))
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To: jboot

Sometimes I go to a church where the women veil up. My feeling is, if they can go to the trouble to cover their heads, I can go to the trouble to wear a coat and tie.

Sure, it’s kind of retro, but it’s a sweet tradition, and who is ANYBODY to say people shouldn’t keep tradition if they want?


47 posted on 03/16/2009 3:23:43 PM PDT by ichabod1 (I am rolling over in my grave and I am not even dead yet (GOP Poet))
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To: mountainbunny

And the african-american Ladies wear their “crowns”. Catholic women don’t have to wear veils, they can wear hats. It’s like you say, a lovely devotion. The first time I saw it it seemed backward, especially since the women who do this tend to have large families, and not be afraid to make their family’s clothing.


48 posted on 03/16/2009 3:28:16 PM PDT by ichabod1 (I am rolling over in my grave and I am not even dead yet (GOP Poet))
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To: RexBeach

Roughly 75% of the women wear head coverings at the local extraordinary form Latin Masses.


49 posted on 03/16/2009 3:34:19 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: nufsed
Sacrificing a "lamb" today means bringing another soul to Him...not to be killed but to find eternal salvation.

John 21:15 So when they had dined, Jesus saith to Simon Peter, "Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou Me more than these?" He saith unto Him, "Yea, Lord; Thou knowest that I love Thee." He saith unto him, "Feed My lambs."

50 posted on 03/17/2009 8:03:14 AM PDT by Ping-Pong
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To: Ping-Pong
actually sacrificing a lamb means bringing a lamb to be slaughtered and offered to God it is not a metaphor. You can change the meaning of words all you want. It is what it is and the meaning is obvious.

Some people look to the bible to make women cover their heads, so I say, let's keep all the old traditions. What say you?

51 posted on 03/17/2009 10:29:25 AM PDT by nufsed
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To: nufsed
actually sacrificing a lamb means bringing a lamb to be slaughtered and offered to God it is not a metaphor. You can change the meaning of words all you want. It is what it is and the meaning is obvious.

Some people look to the bible to make women cover their heads, so I say, let's keep all the old traditions. What say you?

In the Old Testament the sacrifice of taking our best and giving it to the Lord was a shadow of what He did for us. Christ fulfilled all the blood sacrifices so now when we sacrifice...it is our love He wants. The idea of sacrificing a lamb to Him, to me, speaks of us feeding them His truth. If they see that truth then we bring that lamb to Him.

I'm glad I don't have to slaughter one anymore LOL.

As far as women covering their heads...someone taught me that it means that a woman's hair is a veil of protection from fallen angels. Other than that....I don't know what it could mean.

52 posted on 03/17/2009 10:58:35 AM PDT by Ping-Pong
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To: Mind Freed

From: http://www.fisheaters.com/theveil.html

For 2,000 years, Catholic women have veiled themselves before entering a church or any time they are in the presence of the Blessed Sacrament. It was written into the 1917 Code of Canon Law, Canon 1262, that women must cover their heads — “especially when they approach the holy table” (”mulieres autem, capite cooperto et modeste vestitae, maxime cum ad mensam Dominicam accedunt”) — but during the Second Vatican Council, Bugnini (the same Freemason who designed the Novus Ordo Mass) was asked by journalists if women would still have to cover their heads. His reply, perhaps innocently enough, was that the issue was not being discussed. The journalists (as journalists are wont to do with Church teaching) took his answer as a “no,” and printed their misinformation in newspapers all over the world. Since then, most Catholic women in the “Novus Ordo world” have lost the tradition.

After so many years of women repudiating the veil, the Vatican (as the post-conciliar Vatican is wont to do), not wanting to be confrontational or upset radical feminists, simply pretended the issue didn’t exist. When the 1983 Code of Canon Law was produced, veiling was simply not mentioned (not abrogated, mind you, but simply not mentioned).


53 posted on 03/17/2009 11:16:34 AM PDT by coton_lover ("He that live upon hope will die fasting." -Benjamin Franklin)
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To: trustandobey
wow I'm surprised no one replied to your comment maybe because its the truth LOL i don't cut my hair either because its my glory and my covering and if i cut it i might as well shave it because its the same thing :) but i have cut it before but i have cut it before when i was unsaved but since I’ve been saved i have not cut it and now its getting longer and longer to the very end of my back top of my bottom and i hope it gets to the middle of my knees! now that would be awesome! but yeah i only know of two people that do this new testament christian church people which is were i go and oneness's or apostolic people which “i am not” but in many ways I'm alto like them the only difference is i believe in the trinity and i believe salvation is by the spirit not by water and i also don't think someone has to be filled with the Holy ghost to be saved but i do believe if they know about the Holy Ghost and they reject it that's when there walking away from God but if they don't know about it and they just got saved and die i know they'll make it but yeah I'm sure there are others out there who do this too i mean not cutting there hair i just don't know about them but i hope to learn about them one day its neat to find people with the truth keep it up! God bless you!
54 posted on 04/01/2009 2:12:34 PM PDT by ntccm
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