Christian Ministry Denounced as Terrorist Group

Well, I’ll be looking for it and I’ll get back here, too... I just had some other stuff to do first... :-)

The report tries to paint us as a dangerous group when we are just an evangelistic outreach. We are not confrontational unless you call preaching a well balanced Gospel, confrontational. We have never caused a disturbance except for disturbing the Kingdom of Darkness.

A statement is made about an outreach at Longwood University that is totally fabricated. It states that we showed up with a group of anarchists. In actuality, that ministry outreach event was without incident of any kind. I had been in dialog with the Campus Cheif of Police leading up to our appearance on campus and worked with them completely. Our team preached for several hours and distributed Gospel literature to students. No opposition showed up and several of our group stayed behind after the outreach to converse further with the Police Chief who was also a Christian. The report stated lies about the outreach that have no basis in reality.

We are well known and everyone who knows us knows that the report is not factual. The Gospel and pro-life messages are not close to heart of this nation’s government. God’s truth is dangerous to those who dispise it. I’m actually rather lovable :)

Denny

Babylon in Genesis was a political/religious entity.
You will have to search the earth today to find something similar. Remember God said “There is nothing new under the sun.”

America looks more Roman than anything we have seen since Rome. Architecture, our policing the world, nation conquering, being called a democracy (when we started as a republic), our Senate, alot of things. I have a mare getting ready to foal and haven't slept much in 2 days..please forgive any errors. :)

Well... before we get our shorts in a wad...

The document is dated March 2009, so the intel pre-dates the current administration.
The document is published by the Virginia Commonwealth, not the federal government.
The document makes some reasonable statements in the section in which Life and Liberty Ministries is mentioned, "Special Interest Extremism."

Special Interest Extremism
Special interest extremism in Virginia encompasses anti-abortion extremists as well as animal and environmental rights extremists. While special interest groups often incorporate a religious or political message, it is generally a method used to support the overarching group goal. Antiabortionist extremists pose a significant threat due to their willingness to take human life in the advancement of their cause. Environmental rights extremists pose a legitimate threat to critical infrastructure as they routinely target the energy sector. Animal rights extremists, while posing a significant threat elsewhere in the country, are considered a less viable threat due to their lack of significant presence and activities in Virginia.

Anti-Abortion Extremists
The anti-abortion extremist movement is comprised of radical individuals dedicated to changing the laws protecting abortion using violence, if necessary.¹²³ In recent years, law enforcement has received increased reported incidents nationwide at Planned Parenthood centers, possibly by anti-abortion activists. Incidents have included harassing phone calls, suspicious inquiries, possible surveillance, recovered incendiary devices, and direct threats to employees.

There are at least two active anti-abortionist groups of interest to law enforcement headquartered in the Commonwealth, the Army of God and Life (Chesapeake) and Life & Liberty Ministries (Powhatan). There is no information that the latter group espouses violence; however, the group causes disturbances and can be confrontational during their demonstrations.^pp In Virginia, only a few incidents involving anti-abortion groups have been reported. In May 2007, an incendiary device was found outside of an abortion clinic in Virginia Beach; however, it is unknown if members of an anti-abortion group were involved.¹²⁴ The most recent reports of anti-abortion extremist presence were noted in the Virginia Commonwealth University and the College of William & Mary, as well as Albemarle, Manassas, Nelson, and Hanover.¹²⁵ Prior anti-abortion extremist presence has been reported in Chesapeake, Farmville, Henrico, Newport News, Norfolk, Richmond, and Virginia Beach.¹²⁶ Additionally, several Virginia residents have been reported by other states as engaging in anti-abortionist activity.¹²⁷

The Army of God
The Army of God (AOG) has provided biblical justification for the use of violence against abortion providers and has engaged in threats, intimidation, kidnappings, and murder in their pursuit to end abortion in the U.S. The group distributes information via the Internet on resistance against the government and abortionists^qq and has published a manual outlining how to disrupt and put an end to abortion clinics.^rr In August, the AOG was believed to be behind several email bomb threats sent to colleges and universities nationwide, including to the College of William and Mary and James Madison University.¹²⁸

Operation Rescue, an anti-abortionist group with ties to the AOG, has been reported in Norfolk.¹²⁹ Operation Rescue was founded by a violent anti-abortionist who promotes the killing of abortion clinic workers.¹³⁰ Although the group currently advocates nonviolent actions, the group’s website is full of inflammatory articles, such as Barack Obama’s “Jihad” Against the Unborn!, that could serve as a catalyst for lone wolf actors.

Intelligence Gaps

Are anti-abortion extremists in Virginia planning acts of domestic terrorism or engaging in paramilitary training?
Which, if any, extremists are assessed as potentially violent anti-abortion offenders or are known to be interested in acquiring weapons and explosives?
What ties exist between anti-abortion extremists and other right-wing extremists in Virginia?
How many anti-abortion protests/demonstrations in Virginia have ended in arrests, resulted in injury, or property destruction?
Have anti-abortion extremists expressed an interest in targeting pharmacies, pharmacists, or pharmaceutical companies providing ‘morning after pills’ in Virginia?
What changes are there in the methods that anti-abortion extremists are using to spread and sustain their message in Virginia?

Projections
The Army of God’s presence, ideology of promoting violence, and their demonstrated willingness to take human life constitutes a significant threat to Virginia. Their threat level is assessed as medium; however, AOG encourages individuals to engage in violent attacks, so the possibility of a lone wolf carrying out an anti-abortionist agenda increases the threat level. The following projections are specific for Virginia, but include regional, national, and international data.

Attack Capability:

Membership/Influence:

Fundraising Activities:

Other Criminal Activities:

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^pp (LES) Life & Liberty Ministries conducts tours throughout Virginia, whereby members engage in street ministry, leafleting, and the display of graphic materials. A protest at Longwood University in Farmville had a group of anarchists along with the anti-abortionist demonstrators (LES) VFC Intelligence Bulletin 07-86: Life & Liberty Ministries 2007 Virginia Campus Tour; (LES) TIPS C070832; Life and Liberty Ministries; 2008 Threat Assessment Surveys
^qq (OS) The Army of God Manual contains anti-government sentiments and details illegal activities, including methods for blockading entrances, attacking with butyric, arson and bomb making.
^rr (LES) A college in Iowa was the only one to report receiving an email claiming to be from the AOG. Other colleges and universities received emails that were similar in content, sent around the same time, and used anonymous re-mailers. All the bomb threats were determined to be hoaxes (TIPS C070643).
¹²³ (OS) The Nuremburg Files: Alleged Abortionists and Their Accomplices
¹²⁴ (LES) TIPS C070302
¹²⁵ (LES) 2009 VFC Threat Assessment Surveys
¹²⁶ (LES) 2008 VFC Threat Assessment Surveys
¹²⁷ (LES) Pennsylvania: TIPS C070967; Illinois: C070896 and C070863
¹²⁸ (LES) Operation Rescue reported in Domestic Terrorism Tracking Assessment System
¹²⁸ (LES) TIPS C070967; Operation Rescue
¹²⁹ (LES) Operation Rescue reported in Domestic Terrorism Tracking Assessment System
¹³⁰ (LES) TIPS C070967; Operation Rescue

What was Life and Liberty Ministries' connection with an anarchist group?

Why should we immediately take sides with Life and Liberty Ministries is on a watch list?

And for GOD so loved man he sent
his only begotten son to die for him.

Acts 7
40 saying unto Aaron, Make us gods that shall go before us: for as for this Moses, who led us forth out of the land of Egypt, we know not what is become of him.

41 And they made a calf in those days, and brought a sacrifice unto the idol, and rejoiced in the works of their hands.

42 But God turned, and gave them up to serve the host of heaven; as it is written in the book of the prophets, Did ye offer unto me slain beasts and sacrifices Forty years in the wilderness, O house of Israel?

43 And ye took up the tabernacle of Moloch, And the star of the god Rephan, The figures which ye made to worship them: And I will carry you away beyond Babylon.

Yes. That’s a gorey abortion image.

INTREP

Hello again, I got drafted into moving someone... :-) and will have to get back in a day. Talk with you later...

Okay, I’ve got a little bit of a break here for a few hours, in between the moving and stuff (as I said earlier), so I’ll jump in with just a little bit here, and include some stuff for “background” for me...

I was involved in the pro-life issue from way back, from before C Everett Koop and Francis Schaeffer went on their U.S. seminar tour (and world tour, I believe) with the series produced by Frankie Scheaffer productions (Frankie Scheaffer along with Jim Buchfuher (don’t know if the spelling is right...) called “Whatever Happened to the Human Race”. It was Abortion, Infanticide and Euthanasia.

I had already been following Francis Schaeffer’s works before then, and I was glad to hear that Koop and Schaeffer were coming to Portland, Oregon for one of the seminar stops.

I was determined to be there for that several-day seminar, although I knew probably as much as I would get from that seminar anyway. And being that I worked full-time at a regular job, I had to insist that I take off work for it. My employer wondered (out loud to me, and specifically asked) what was so important about that seminar that I had to take off work for it. In all the years that I had worked there (at that time, about a decade and a half), I had never taken off for any kind of event, seminar or other item of any kind, ever — and only time off for regularly and normally-scheduled vacations.

But, I was determined to go to this seminar with C Everett Koop and Francis Schaeffer in it. For those who may not know or remember, Koop went on to become Surgeon General of the United States under President Ronald Reagan, a few years after that. This seminar was in 1979, and I believe it was a “world-wide” seminar series, too.

I learned (at some point in time, can’t remember when, though...) that Schaeffer had been undergoing treatment for cancer, but had refused to give up on these seminar tours, because he considered them to be so important. I believe this was known at the time of the seminars, and it was shortly thereafter that Schaeffer died.

From that seminar, I came away with a lot of good information, good videos and also good motivation. At the time I also had some Christian videos that I rented out to the public, sort of a small-time ministry, and I grabbed some of Schaeffer’s videos and a new pro-life video that was “super-effective” for the time and had not been seen by the public yet. I believe (if I remember correctly, as it’s been a while now...) it was called “Silent Scream”...

Now, I decided that I was going to let the media know that I had this video, for rent, for the public. It wasn’t something you would normally find in the video stores and, in fact, most of the stuff I had (of a Christian nature) wouldn’t be found in the video stores.

After that seminar, and it was on the news at the time, and along with it some supplementary news stories about “pro-life” ... about this video that I had. I was interviewed on the phone and it hit the noon news in Portland, Oregon.

If you want to know the impact of the “MSM news” on something you’re doing, well... I saw it *directly* in this news story.

I knew I was going to be “on” for that news story, so I tuned in and watched it. They put the ministry name down (for the videos) and the name of the video (Silent Scream) and then the phone number for people to follow up on. I was not the only “agency” or entity featured in that story, as they also said something about people who helped pregnant and young teens so they would not *have to* have an abortion. And the Catholic pro-life movement and organization was mentioned in the same story.

BUT, once the name of my ministry hit the screen and the phone number did, the phone started ringing within *literally* — 15 seconds from that time. And it never stopped all day after that.

I got angry people, pleased people, people wanting more information and people wanting to rent it. And so it went...

But, the *angry* people were sort of amazing with them saying “How can you rent such trash?!” and cussing me out and hanging up and yelling and so on.

Mind you..., this was a *brand new documentary* not seen before and was sorta known that it would have a *big impact* if it were seen (”for pro-life”). So, the abortion people really did not want to see this documentary seen by the public. Anyway, I found out about that in short order...

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Francis Schaeffer and C Everett Koop were both *indispensable* to the pro-life movement and Francis Schaeffer’s “works” (writings, mainly and his “L’Abri” center) provided the underpinning and theological background for a lot of Christians of then and of today.

You can see a little bit about that from this particular written up blurb that I found out on the net...

http://www.nrlc.org/news/2003/NRL01/land.html

That was my background and my start in this involvement in this issue, from a short period of time before those seminars and thereafter...). And it’s been continuous since then.

SO..., that’s the background I personally bring to this particular kind of “news story” and is how I’m approaching what is said here (and I haven’t gotten to all that information yet, but I have read *some* of the information that has been provided — and — I do have some *questions* regarding the ministry).

But, remember, I’m coming at this, also, from the background that I have, too. At the same time, I’m not very inclined, at all, to engage in any kind of violent interactions — and what I need to find out is that neither are you (as a ministry and/or organization) inclined to do so, either. So, I’ll need to find out what the “criteria” are that was used in the government agency’s report, and find out what kinds of precautions and/or statements are made in terms of non-violent interactions and how to interact with the public and/or these institutions on behalf of your ministry and/or the people who help you out.

AND.., as I said earlier, I’m taking a break from my work (at this particular moment) of helping someone else and will be back later on, which at the rate we’re going, will probably be tomorrow... :-)

Okay, 4lifeandliberty, I’m getting back again, on this thread. I do want to follow up on this...

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Now, I was reading this one portion over here on post #44. To me, this seems to be *the key* here (either for you or against you, but if things are as you say, then *this* can be what works *for you*...).

It said the following...

Special Interest Extremism

Special interest extremism in Virginia encompasses anti-abortion extremists as well as animal and environmental rights extremists. While special interest groups often incorporate a religious or political message, it is generally a method used to support the overarching group goal. Antiabortionist extremists pose a significant threat due to their willingness to take human life in the advancement of their cause. Environmental rights extremists pose a legitimate threat to critical infrastructure as they routinely target the energy sector. Animal rights extremists, while posing a significant threat elsewhere in the country, are considered a less viable threat due to their lack of significant presence and activities in Virginia.

It seems that they’ve classified three types of “Special Interest Extremism” which use violence in pursuing their aims.

(1) Antiabortionist Extremists
(2) Environmental Rights Extremists
(3) Animal Rights Extremists (although not in Virginia, apparently)

And, right there, I would agree with the designation and classification — given just the *one thing* — which is the use of violence and taking of human life in order to push the political goals of the group. If this is happening, then the groups should be on the list.

And this is why I say that this is *also* to your benefit — in that you should be able to show, quite conclusively, that you do not propose using violence or taking human life in order to pursue your goals.

Part of proving that, I would imagine would be to show materials that you give for people who help you protest and march and so on — in which you say that violence has to be avoided and how to handle things in order to avoid violence. In addition, I imagine that it can be shown that you condemn any isolated actions by others who have taken other lives in order to either “make a point” or to “take out” someone whom has been participating in this (and there are “those types” out there). I would then show them materials where you totally separate yourselves from any of these kinds of actions, totally.

Once you do that sort of thing — showing that you don’t *fit the category* — then you should have no problem in getting your name removed from there. And if necessary, with your name being on there, you could take them to court to remove it, with the “proof” being these materials that I talk about where you show a history of *non-violence* and the *condemnation* of anyone who does take violence and the taking of life into their own hands, plus showing the “training” that you give people to avoid violence in “protest situations”.

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This is what I would be looking for, in your materials that you do this — and I would certainly hope that you do (as I was saying above). BUT, that’s for you to say and not me, since I’m only “asking” here — and I don’t know the real situation with your group....

Please do let me know about that.

Your posts are unreadable.

It just occurred to me that due to the circumstances, no matter how much your employers abuse you—you can never report them to any government agency, nor can you bring them to court for civil complaint. These people have complete control over you.

I don’t think you’ve been out long enough yet... try some more time... :-)

In your case, that doesn’t make too much difference... :-)

Hi,

We haven’t ever distributed “position papers” about our ministry or made written statements about violence since it isn’t what we are about. We have never advocated violence nor committed violent acts. Our work in the pro-life area is with women in crisis pregnancies. We ran a maternity home for pregnant homeless women for 10 years and daily minister to them by offering help and the Gospel at abortion clinics in Richmond, VA. Before opening our own home to pregnant mothers, we worked for a year in PA as house parents at a maternity home. Our website is filled with articles and newsletters written by me and show our stance with regard to how believers should be active ministering to the needy, whoever they might be.

I am known by the police in Richmond since I have been on the street full-time for 15 years. They know that I am law abiding.

There is no evidence that we have ever committed acts of violence or spoken in favor of such. It is up to my accusers to prove differently. Thanks for the response to my postings.

Yeah—that’s probably the only way you can handle it. Deflect the argument. Never acknowledge the existence of those who pay you. For one thing, they would never let you get away with it. Always think, what would Alinsky do? Cheat, lie and steal—that’s the Alinsky way.

When you find yourself caught in another circumstance in which you’ve clearly lost a particular argument or when you have yet again blown your own cover, quickly change the subject. Or simply try the same old weasely, self-contradictory and intellectually empty tricks of language as used by slobbering, run-of-the-mill lawyers in the courtroom.

Very good...

I would start with that good relationship you have with the local police and start inquiring as to how you (as a group) could become linked up with these so-called extremist groups who do advocate violence and some the killing of others.

And then, I would approach one of two organizations that I’ve heard about who represent Christians and/or organizations in things like this. One was helped by Francis Schaeffer to get started and the other has also been featured on the news as helping Christians.

I’ll have to look them up to get their names as I’ve forgotten them now. But, follow up legally and get your organization’s name removed — as you can show, positively, no encouragement of violence or killing and you argue strongly against it and you have a good relationship with the local police and are known by them.

It would appear (to me, at least) that someone has “set you up” who had a part in gathering the “intel” and who had been “working on the report”. Things like this are developed and passed through the hands of many people and once someone gets on there, others don’t necessarily know why.

So, I would get to work on that...

I’ll get back with the names of those two legal organizations.

I don’t acknowledge the boogey man under my bed either... I guess that means I’m ignoring him, huh? LOL...

Okay, one of the names just came to me...

The Rutherford Institute
http://www.rutherford.org/

They are particularly interested in this kind of issue.

[still trying to think of the other one... :-) ...]