i can only guess what will they label us then...This sounds rather scary — do you have some sort of reference for this? I’d love to see the original material that shows you’re on this list, and to see who else is on it.
You said — Life and Liberty Ministries (the Evangelistic Outreach Ministry that I direct) has been specifically named by Homeland Security as being a terrorist threat in the recently released “2009 Virginia Terrorism Threat Assessment”, produced by the Virginia Fusion Center.
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Can you give some documentation on this? Either a website with this kind of terrorist listing and/or scan it from the relevant materials that you have (which lists you as a terrorist group)...
I would appreciate it, as I’m sure all the other readers would, too...
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I was having a conversation with my best friend about the DHS thing. He said to me, “Of course, people who support the Constitution are ‘extremists.’ The document is pure, and support of it requires dedication, in its light and in its ‘darkness.’ Adherence to the US Constitution requires unflinching faith.”
I hadn’t thought of it quite like that before, but he’s right. It’s not paper, and it’s not living. It’s words given to the fire in the belly of free men and women.
Ping for later
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Identify the PLAYERS of end-times. We have been warned. I KNOW there have been alot of different ideas about who these players will be or are, but as time passes the seals of Daniel will be opened and full understanding will come, but pay attention...THINK.
CAN you see what a Beast government is becoming? Do you realize how OLD religion is?? I'm not talking about the Faith, Hope and Love Christ preached about..I'm talking about RELIGION. Political Rome and Religious Pharisees JOINED to crucify Christ. We were told that what came against Him would come against His people.
WHEN the Beast/Gov. is done using the Whore/Religion it will destroy her. Rev. 18:4 “COME OUT OF HER MY PEOPLE.”
This whore is in Genesis and she goes all the way through to Revelation...she is very very old...from beginning to end. Religion HAS done more killing than anyone can fathom....there is a DIFFERENCE, between religion and faith!!! “There is a way that seems right unto man that leads to destruction.”
FIND a religious organization that is not in bed with the Beast for her tax exempt status.
WHAT did Christ do when asked about taxes??? He said..”Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's and unto God what is God's.” Sent a disciple to get a coin out of a fishes mouth (God will provide) and paid it!!! He did not go to Rome begging favors to build His kingdom...NOT THEN...NOT NOW!! This act has made what should be the Church...a whore. It is this Whore that the Beast will destroy. The Church is a PEOPLE...not organizations or denominations!
I say this not to shake your faith but to strengthen your faith when you SEE God do exactly what He said He would do.
He is telling His people they are in something they should not be in and to GET OUT before He strikes, and He allows it to be destroyed. READ IT!!!
You WILL start seeing the beginnings of this destruction and control...we already are!!
Can you also SEE how global this world has become? We are further into end-times than most know. IS America that revised Roman Empire while we are taught to look to Europe...to hold prophecy to the future and not to NOW???!!
“IF it were possible even the very elect of God will be deceived.” THAT fellow believers is a deception of huge magnitude, and looks like a way that seems right!!!
Stay strong...pray for the peace of Jerusalem...true peace will come for Jerusalem when the Lord returns. In praying for Jerusalem’s peace you are praying for the Lord to return.
HIDEOUS.
They have absolutely no clue of the consequences of their choices and behaviors in such labeling and actions.
I’m confident their cells in hell are well reserved.
i can only guess what will they label us then...Right on. I think that Israel will take out Iran’s nuke facilities this year (self preservation), and the Obama administration will throw her under the bus for that action. I think that will spark Ezekiel’s war which is the start of the finish. I don’t think that bodes well for Chritians in the USA.
INTREP
Okay, I’ve got a little bit of a break here for a few hours, in between the moving and stuff (as I said earlier), so I’ll jump in with just a little bit here, and include some stuff for “background” for me...
I was involved in the pro-life issue from way back, from before C Everett Koop and Francis Schaeffer went on their U.S. seminar tour (and world tour, I believe) with the series produced by Frankie Scheaffer productions (Frankie Scheaffer along with Jim Buchfuher (don’t know if the spelling is right...) called “Whatever Happened to the Human Race”. It was Abortion, Infanticide and Euthanasia.
I had already been following Francis Schaeffer’s works before then, and I was glad to hear that Koop and Schaeffer were coming to Portland, Oregon for one of the seminar stops.
I was determined to be there for that several-day seminar, although I knew probably as much as I would get from that seminar anyway. And being that I worked full-time at a regular job, I had to insist that I take off work for it. My employer wondered (out loud to me, and specifically asked) what was so important about that seminar that I had to take off work for it. In all the years that I had worked there (at that time, about a decade and a half), I had never taken off for any kind of event, seminar or other item of any kind, ever — and only time off for regularly and normally-scheduled vacations.
But, I was determined to go to this seminar with C Everett Koop and Francis Schaeffer in it. For those who may not know or remember, Koop went on to become Surgeon General of the United States under President Ronald Reagan, a few years after that. This seminar was in 1979, and I believe it was a “world-wide” seminar series, too.
I learned (at some point in time, can’t remember when, though...) that Schaeffer had been undergoing treatment for cancer, but had refused to give up on these seminar tours, because he considered them to be so important. I believe this was known at the time of the seminars, and it was shortly thereafter that Schaeffer died.
From that seminar, I came away with a lot of good information, good videos and also good motivation. At the time I also had some Christian videos that I rented out to the public, sort of a small-time ministry, and I grabbed some of Schaeffer’s videos and a new pro-life video that was “super-effective” for the time and had not been seen by the public yet. I believe (if I remember correctly, as it’s been a while now...) it was called “Silent Scream”...
Now, I decided that I was going to let the media know that I had this video, for rent, for the public. It wasn’t something you would normally find in the video stores and, in fact, most of the stuff I had (of a Christian nature) wouldn’t be found in the video stores.
After that seminar, and it was on the news at the time, and along with it some supplementary news stories about “pro-life” ... about this video that I had. I was interviewed on the phone and it hit the noon news in Portland, Oregon.
If you want to know the impact of the “MSM news” on something you’re doing, well... I saw it *directly* in this news story.
I knew I was going to be “on” for that news story, so I tuned in and watched it. They put the ministry name down (for the videos) and the name of the video (Silent Scream) and then the phone number for people to follow up on. I was not the only “agency” or entity featured in that story, as they also said something about people who helped pregnant and young teens so they would not *have to* have an abortion. And the Catholic pro-life movement and organization was mentioned in the same story.
BUT, once the name of my ministry hit the screen and the phone number did, the phone started ringing within *literally* — 15 seconds from that time. And it never stopped all day after that.
I got angry people, pleased people, people wanting more information and people wanting to rent it. And so it went...
But, the *angry* people were sort of amazing with them saying “How can you rent such trash?!” and cussing me out and hanging up and yelling and so on.
Mind you..., this was a *brand new documentary* not seen before and was sorta known that it would have a *big impact* if it were seen (”for pro-life”). So, the abortion people really did not want to see this documentary seen by the public. Anyway, I found out about that in short order...
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Francis Schaeffer and C Everett Koop were both *indispensable* to the pro-life movement and Francis Schaeffer’s “works” (writings, mainly and his “L’Abri” center) provided the underpinning and theological background for a lot of Christians of then and of today.
You can see a little bit about that from this particular written up blurb that I found out on the net...
http://www.nrlc.org/news/2003/NRL01/land.html
That was my background and my start in this involvement in this issue, from a short period of time before those seminars and thereafter...). And it’s been continuous since then.
SO..., that’s the background I personally bring to this particular kind of “news story” and is how I’m approaching what is said here (and I haven’t gotten to all that information yet, but I have read *some* of the information that has been provided — and — I do have some *questions* regarding the ministry).
But, remember, I’m coming at this, also, from the background that I have, too. At the same time, I’m not very inclined, at all, to engage in any kind of violent interactions — and what I need to find out is that neither are you (as a ministry and/or organization) inclined to do so, either. So, I’ll need to find out what the “criteria” are that was used in the government agency’s report, and find out what kinds of precautions and/or statements are made in terms of non-violent interactions and how to interact with the public and/or these institutions on behalf of your ministry and/or the people who help you out.
AND.., as I said earlier, I’m taking a break from my work (at this particular moment) of helping someone else and will be back later on, which at the rate we’re going, will probably be tomorrow... :-)