Posted on 05/12/2009 6:45:10 AM PDT by Alex Murphy
From a post of mine on February 20, 2007:
...I don't post "anti" threads. I post news and op-ed articles that have a culturally religious component - Catholic, Protestant, Mormon, etc - just about anything that strikes me as worthy of intelligent discussion (UFOs, anyone?). Since the Catholic Church is the single largest denominational body in the US, you'd expect that they would produce the single largest number of news articles per religious group. If posting news articles is being contentious, then I suggest that Catholics persuade their priests and bishops to stop putting themselves in the news, and stop bashing the messenger when there's something to post.And from May 22, 2008
IMO most people don't take notice of threads in the Religion Forum unless a) it was posted by someone they know, or b) THEIR beliefs are mentioned in the thread title. Case in point - you thought I was a "weird disgruntled Catholic." I'd bet most Catholics on FR never noticed the many threads I posted about the Calvinists, the Baptists, the Dispensationalists, the Mormons, or the Swedenborgites. They're out there - you probably just didn't notice them.We have a lively Religion forum in great part thanks to Alex.
Thank you.
The pope is a pitiful man trying to stand in the place of God, and he can never do the job. Why quibble about it?
I do not like ungrateful whiners.
Just how often, if at all, do they praise heroes like Max Kolbe for the sacrifice done for the chosen people? Rarely, if at all.
Keep crying victims won’t further their cause, as opposed to praising heroes who have helped their victims.
I have not, and don’t intend to contribute any money for their cause due to their ungratefulness.
Even if all catholics in the whole world died in the death camps for their cause, it will still be not enough for them. Don’t fall victims to rhetorics.
Well, thank you, your Eminence...and also please let me know when I can schedule a catechism conference to hear more questions about catholicism.
Any time, my child.
The Church should support a homeland for the Jews and stop trying to be popular with islamist arabs.
Could you reference that {1941) quote please?
In the future when, hopefully, it will be seen that abortion and euthanasia is wrong - genecide - I wonder if anti groups will pronounce the Catholic church, the Mormons, the Jews, the Baptists, the Muslims, the whites, the blacks... guilty for not doing enough to stop the murder. Or they could be named guilty by association...
Afterall, most University and public school students have sat through classes with abortion advocates telling them killing is freedom. They did not refuse to participate in these youth programs. If they do refuse and the course is a requirement like sex education, these students would be denied graduation by many institutions.
This is the problem of people today measuring the guilt and innocence of people and groups who lived through an event of mass murder and oppression. It is unjust by nature and it is poisonous to healing in the current time.
We'll get right on it, bwana.
Hitler initially paid lip service to the Church, as he did to many other organizations/people/nations. However he made his real feelings clear through his actions (e.g. sending Catholics to the death camps) and his later statements - see Clarence’s post/quotes.
Leaders will use religion to gain power - Obama is a good example.
"I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so," Hitler told Gerhard Engel, one of his generals, in 1941.The entire sentence -- including the "told Gerhard Engel in 1941" part -- appears verbatim in many places and tracts on the web, but I believe it originated in an essay titled Hitler's Religion written by Anne Nicol Gaylor, the founder and former president of the Freedom From Religion Foundation. I'm unsure of the pedigree, because the Gaylor article is the only place in which an author is credited.
As to the origin of the Hitler quote itself, no citation is provided anywhere the quote occurs, neither in the Gaylor article nor any other place where the above sentence appears. If it's a real quote (and I have my doubts), it's source is lost in obscurity thanks to the shoddy academic work of the Freedom From Religion Foundation.
Do.
lol
Yes, exactly. Thanks. :)
The quote is cited by John Toland, Adolf Hitler: The stupid Definitive Biography, New York: Anchor Publishing, 1992, p. 507. ISBN 0-385-42053-6.
I've included the link to the book on Amazon.com (where it's highly rated) -- I see that my local library has a copy, too. I'll check out the reference and see where Toland got the quote from. It might take me a few days.
Yes, we'll be condemned by the self-righteous of that coming era for not going out and killing abortionists, abortion politicians, etc., for not starting a war against all the baby-murderers.
* sigh *
All one can do is the right thing. Whether the histories written in this world look well or ill on you, there is only one judgment that matters.
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Thanks Alex. I went to your link and see he got high ratings.
Though one of the reviewers, who appears to know his writing, wrote this:
[...all good here...]
then...
“Yet Toland makes a painful effort to be non-judgmental, and carefully presents all the facts as he can best determine them. This sometimes makes him err on the side of presenting personal and perhaps subjective opinions of others as fact, and this is typical of the Toland approach.
While recognizing the dangers in presenting a lot of information into the record that might be inaccurate, twisted, or fanciful, he also wants us to hear the whole story from all of the participant’s viewpoints so we can make our own informed judgment. In this sense Toland has a somewhat archaic belief in the historical reader’s critical skills and to be well-enough formed as thinkers that he lets us judge for ourselves based on our interpretation of the `facts’ he presents rather than pre-digesting and coming to his own conclusions for us.
The busman’s tour he takes through pre-war Germany, observing and describing the collection of rag-tag malcontents accompanying Hitler in his rise to power is quite interesting, as is his casual and matter-of-fact presentation of what is certainly a horrifying plethora of unbelievably provocative, ruthless and despicable acts on the parts of Hitler and the national Socialists.”
Bottomline - Hitler was a Socialist (not unlike One we know).
PS: Great, I’m looking forward to the truth, hopefully if it’s there he’ll have referenced where/who he got it from...
I popped in your reference to yahoo, exactly as you posted it - http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=John+Toland%2C+Adolf+Hitler%3A+The+stupid+Definitive+Biography%2C+New+York%3A+Anchor+Publishing%2C+1992%2C+p.+507.+ISBN+0-385-42053-6.&ei=UTF-8&fr=moz2, and this was the only response:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler%27s_religious_beliefs
Did you read it? If not you should as it makes very interesting reading.....
“In 1998 documents were released by Cornell University from the Nuremberg Trials,[41] that revealed Nazi plans to exterminate Christianity at the end of World War II. The documents cover the Nuremberg trials of leading Nazis and demonstrate the deliberate genocide of Jews during the Holocaust, in which some six million Jews were killed. One senior member of the U.S. prosecution team, General William Donovan, as part of his work on documenting Nazi war crimes, compiled large amounts of documentation that the Nazis also planned to systematically destroy Christianity.[42]”
Now why would a practicing Catholic/Christian want to exterminate all Christians? One might surmise, looking at history, that it’s more in line with Atheist/Socialists, don’t you think?
That's funny. Heard all the same critizisms about the last pope. Was it racial then? I believe you're becoming pc Robby.
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