Quix's Commentary On Pope Paul VI's 1967 Populorum Progressio RE: Globalism Implications

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[Quix]

I want to emphasize again . . .

THIS IS ABOUT SATAN VS GOD

ALL Christian groups have either become complicit in such forces or are in the process of becoming compromised

or are at risk for becoming so compromised.

None of us have any reason to be the least bit smug about such forces and matters.

It's merely the case that the Vatican examples given in Pope Paul VI th's encyclical is a pretty early and glaring set of cues.

[Quix]

END TIMES PING LIST PING FOR “A” LEVEL LIST.

[Joya]

Thank you.

Even so, come quickly, Lord Jesus.

[Alamo-Girl]

Thanks for the ping!

[aposiopetic]

All Our Christian brothers, We are sure will want to consolidate and expand their collaborative efforts to reduce man's immoderate self-love and haughty pride, to eliminate quarrels and rivalries

Sounds like a plan.

[Earthdweller]

Great job Quix! Bravo!

[Quix]

Certainly a worthy goal requiring worthy efforts.

[Quix]

Thanks for your kind words.

BLESSED BE THE NAME AND WORD OF THE LORD.

[Uri’el-2012]

The Common Good
24. If certain landed estates impede the general prosperity because they are extensive, unused or poorly used, or because they bring hardship to peoples or are detrimental to the interests of the country, the common good sometimes demands their expropriation.

Wow !

Marxism !

No Lovingkindness of Yah'shua.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach

[Earthdweller]

You are most welcome. You do work hard. Your reward will be great.

[JDoutrider]

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[Quix]

THANKS for your kind words and astute observations, imho.

BLESSED BE THE NAME AND WORD OF THE LORD.

[Quix]

Thanks for your kind words.

I just chicken scratch in the sand.

Sometimes The Lord uses even that.

Being more overtly and tangibly closer to Him eternally will be more than sufficient reward.

And there’s no reward to that—’Tis HIS FREELY GIVEN BLOOD BOUGHT GIFT TO WHOSOEVER WILL.

[Quix]

Thanks for coming by.

[Star Traveler]

Well, Quix, just posting something a bit off-topic here... :-)

You were saying — “ I’ll add the 2nd half later or tomorrow, Lord willing and the Creek Indians don’t rise up.”

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Ummm..., I’m right next door to the Creek Indian Nation..., and I haven’t seen any signs of uprising... LOL... I think you’re safe...

Are you in Oklahoma now?

[Quix]

No. West of you.

I learned of the real meaning of that phrase in TaiChung in Taiwan at a missionary retreat.

There was a 70 plus year old missionary widow there who’d had 10 kids on the mission field . . . all of whom were doing fine as adults. And I said that phrase one day and she informed me of what its true origin was.

And all those years prior, I’d assumed it was about a flood swollen creek of water.

LOL.

[impimp]

From a Roman Catholic perspective:

There are many social justice encyclicals. They build on one another. Looking at this one in isolation is useful, but not as useful as putting it in the context of all of the social justice encyclicals. To that end, I recommend you look at Centessimus Annus which was the most recent social justice encyclical (circa 1990 Pope JPII). This document embraces capitalism and condemns socialism more than any other previous encyclical. It is a good read.

Benedict will have another encyclical on social justice out in the next few months. This will then become the critical one to review.

[Quix]

Excellent points. I would like to read the one slated to come out. Please ping me to it, if you come across it.

Thanks.

I was originally just going to verify the quote as it is in my list of globalist quotes.

Then it became clear that I needed to comment on more paragraphs than that one.

And, all the more so when an RC more or less accused/ insisted that I was making stuff up. Sheesh.

[Quix]

This document embraces capitalism and condemns socialism more than any other previous encyclical. It is a good read.

. . .

Was that a factor in his premature departure?

[markomalley]

First of all, thank you for taking the time to apparently go through the entire document. I appreciate you doing so, rather than depending upon somebody else's analysis of it.

It's late, so I won't be able to do your post justice, but here are a couple of things from the beginning. I hope to be able to delve into it after a few hours of shut-eye.

You quoted this passage:

. . . But since the Church does dwell among men, she has the duty "of scrutinizing the signs of the times and of interpreting them in the light of the Gospel." (14) Sharing the noblest aspirations of men and suffering when she sees these aspirations not satisfied, she wishes to help them attain their full realization. So she offers man her distinctive contribution: a global perspective on man and human realities.

And then you had the following comment: A couple of things stand out to me in this paragraph. “. . . signs of the times.” That’s a rather Pentecostal phrase! LOL. I wonder what his thinking was as he chose that phrase. Or does it mean something different in Latin than it does to Pentecostals in English?

First of all, Catholics, too believe in the End Times. We probably don't have the same interpretation as Pentacostals, but, as I've said before, we know that the persecution is coming...

Secondly, you notice the (14) in the quote? That corresponds to footnote 14. As a hint, whenever you read Catholic doctrinal documents, it is imperative that you know what was contained in the footnote.

In this case, it corresponded to a Pastoral Constitution issued by the Second Vatican Council, known as Gaudium et Spes. You can't read this document if you are not familiar with the quote where it was taken:

Inspired by no earthly ambition, the Church seeks but a solitary goal: to carry forward the work of Christ under the lead of the befriending Spirit. And Christ entered this world to give witness to the truth, to rescue and not to sit in judgment, to serve and not to be served.(2)

INTRODUCTORY STATEMENT THE SITUATION OF MEN IN THE MODERN WORLD

4. To carry out such a task, the Church has always had the duty of scrutinizing the signs of the times and of interpreting them in the light of the Gospel. Thus, in language intelligible to each generation, she can respond to the perennial questions which men ask about this present life and the life to come, and about the relationship of the one to the other. We must therefore recognize and understand the world in which we live, its explanations, its longings, and its often dramatic characteristics. Some of the main features of the modern world can be sketched as follows.

Today, the human race is involved in a new stage of history. Profound and rapid changes are spreading by degrees around the whole world. Triggered by the intelligence and creative energies of man, these changes recoil upon him, upon his decisions and desires, both individual and collective, and upon his manner of thinking and acting with respect to things and to people. Hence we can already speak of a true cultural and social transformation, one which has repercussions on man's religious life as well.

As happens in any crisis of growth, this transformation has brought serious difficulties in its wake. Thus while man extends his power in every direction, he does not always succeed in subjecting it to his own welfare. Striving to probe more profoundly into the deeper recesses of his own mind, he frequently appears more unsure of himself. Gradually and more precisely he lays bare the laws of society, only to be paralyzed by uncertainty about the direction to give it.

Never has the human race enjoyed such an abundance of wealth, resources and economic power, and yet a huge proportion of the worlds citizens are still tormented by hunger and poverty, while countless numbers suffer from total illiteracy. Never before has man had so keen an understanding of freedom, yet at the same time new forms of social and psychological slavery make their appearance. Although the world of today has a very vivid awareness of its unity and of how one man depends on another in needful solidarity, it is most grievously turn into opposing camps by conflicting forces. For political, social, economic, racial and ideological disputes still continue bitterly, and with them the peril of a war which would reduce everything to ashes. True, there is a growing exchange of ideas, but the very words by which key concepts are expressed take on quite different meanings in diverse ideological systems. Finally, man painstakingly searches for a better world, without a corresponding spiritual advancement.

Influenced by such a variety of complexities, many of our contemporaries are kept from accurately identifying permanent values and adjusting them properly to fresh discoveries. As a result, buffeted between hope and anxiety and pressing one another with questions about the present course of events, they are burdened down with uneasiness. This same course of events leads men to look for answers; indeed, it forces them to do so

And, yes, it should be patently obvious that the expression "signs of the times" refers to Matthew 16:3 (And in the morning, 'It will be stormy today, for the sky is red and threatening.' You know how to interpret the appearance of the sky, but you cannot interpret the signs of the times.)

Now the remainder of the verbiage in the paragraph of Populorum Progressio that you cited should probably be read in light of the above quote.

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You then go to talk about Humanism. One thing that we Americans do instinctively these days in insert (in parentheses) the word "secular" in front of that. That's not how the word is ever used in a Vatican document, unless it explicitly says "atheistic" or "secular" humanism.

The actual definition of "humanism" is, The historical revival of Classical culture, notably during the Renaissance circa 16th century; An ethical system that centers on humans and their values, needs, interests, abilities, dignity and freedom; especially used for a secular one, as an alterative to religious values; Humanitariasm.

So the big thing you should be thinking when you read "humanism" in a Vatican document is the dignity of human life.

Let me give you a couple of quotes from the Catechism that sort of highlight this:

• This wisdom is a Christian humanism that radically affirms the dignity of every person as a child of God, establishes a basic fraternity, teaches people to encounter nature and understand work, provides reasons for joy and humor even in the midst of a very hard life. For the people this wisdom is also a principle of discernment and an evangelical instinct through which they spontaneously sense when the Gospel is served in the Church and when it is emptied of its content and stifled by other interests.
• Atheistic humanism falsely considers man to be "an end to himself, and the sole maker, with supreme control, of his own history."

I'll try to tackle this some more in the morning, but wanted to give you some feedback initially.

And let me stress that I am truly impressed that you actually took the time to go to this document.