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To: vladimir998

“Actually THE CATHOLIC CHURCH has a higher standard.”

God’s standard might be more appropriate to worry about. In Matthew 5, Jesus points out that God’s standard is too high for even the Pharisees to live by - and too high for any man to live by - and we thus need a Savior.

“I know some polls say that, but I don’t buy it for a second according to what a Catholic actually is.”

So any Catholic who doesn’t live by this standard ceases to be a Catholic? Is Pelosi a Catholic? If not, has she been excommunicated?

“Almost all so-called evangelicals believe abortion is just fine in some circumstances.”

I’ve never met one. As a matter of politics and knowing the weakness of man, many would allow a rape/incest exception, but all that I’ve ever met agree that abortion isn’t admirable in those cases. The Law of Moses, knowing the weakness of man, allowed divorce, and it is described as perfect. But I haven’t met an evangelical who calls abortion “just fine”.


27 posted on 07/11/2009 8:31:17 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (I loathe the ground he slithers on!)
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To: Mr Rogers

You wrote:

“God’s standard might be more appropriate to worry about.”

In terms of abortion, birth control and divorce and remarriage they are one in the same.

“In Matthew 5, Jesus points out that God’s standard is too high for even the Pharisees to live by - and too high for any man to live by - and we thus need a Savior.”

And yet Jesus said divorce was wrong, but that Moses had lowered that standard. So who wanted higher standards? Moses or Jesus?

“So any Catholic who doesn’t live by this standard ceases to be a Catholic?”

He certainly isn’t a Catholic in good standing in the moral realm. And any Catholic who denies Catholic doctrine is clearly placing himself outside of the Church. Why do you think so many orthodox Catholics were upset about Notre Dame inviting Obama?

“Is Pelosi a Catholic?”

No. She only calls herself one.

“If not, has she been excommunicated?”

She excommunicated herself years ago.

“I’ve never met one.”

Then you don’t know many evangelicals. A year before Roe v. Wade the Southern Baptist Convention decided to support legislation allowing abortion in limited cases (a euphmism for rape and incest cases). Did you know that? That’s the largest evangelical body in America and they’ve been proudly pro-abort (ahem, in limited cases since the early 1970s.

“As a matter of politics and knowing the weakness of man, many would allow a rape/incest exception, but all that I’ve ever met agree that abortion isn’t admirable in those cases.”

Isn’t admirable? Murder of an innocent child isn’t admirable? Wow, talk about a lower standard.

“The Law of Moses, knowing the weakness of man, allowed divorce, and it is described as perfect. But I haven’t met an evangelical who calls abortion “just fine”.”

No, just “isn’t admirable”. Sounds “just fine” to me.


28 posted on 07/11/2009 8:44:46 AM PDT by vladimir998
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To: Mr Rogers
If not, has she been excommunicated?

Excommunication is actually something that happens to a person spiritually whenever they choose mortal sin and become cut of from the Body of Christ. Choosing sin is choosing ex-communication, irregardless of the Church's knowledge of the person's status as ex-communicated. If he or she continues to take the Eucharist, he or she eats and drinks judgment upon him or herself.
140 posted on 07/18/2009 12:15:00 AM PDT by bdeaner (The bread which we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ? (1 Cor. 10:16))
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