“RUBBER BIBLED DENIAL”
“Rubber Bible Brigade”
“utter nonsense”
“RUBBER BIBLE GROPING”
Et cetera ad nauseum
“I’m a full fledged Dispy!”
Nuff said.
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Posted on 07/25/2009 2:40:04 AM PDT by Quix
Certainly good points.
Months ago, I posted a bloke’s stuff about there being several raptures.
He certainly extrapolated some things but I’ve often wondered if there might be a few ‘harvests.’
He even postulated that the first one might involve the most READY and sold out to God being ‘raptured’ then returned quickly in Heavenly bodies for 40 days of ministry before going to Heaven for the duration of the Great Tribulation.
I just want to be READY AND EAGER for the FIRST ELEVATOR UP whenever that is.
“I’ve never debated anyone into the Kingdom of God, nor do I believe that Christians arguing with one another impresses the non-believer looking for the light of Christ in us.”
My Pastor
April 2009
“I’m a full fledged Dispy!”
Nuff said.
Out of the four basic eschatological views in Christendom, the most consistent element that differentiates Dispensational Pre-Trib Premillennialism from all other eschatological systems is that in Dispensational Pre-trib Premillennialism, God has a different redemptive plan for racial Jews - one that is unique, seperate, and even superior to any other redemptive plan offered to any other racial group (Greeks, Gentiles, etc) in history. This is known as "dual covenant theology", wherein Jewish people don't need to bow to Jesus Christ in order to be saved. They just need to keep the Old Testament laws better! Some Dispensational Pre-trib Premillennialists (Hal Lindsey for one) have even gone so far as to claim that fellow Christians are anti-semites for holding other eschatological views that include a single redemptive plan for all of mankind throughout history.
Dispensational Pre-Trib Premillennialism discounts the Body of Christ - His Church - as being merely a "great parenthesis" that interrupts God's prophetic timetable for man.
My Pastor
April 2009
11 Now when Peter had come to Antioch, I withstood him to his face, because he was to be blamed; 12 for before certain men came from James, he would eat with the Gentiles; but when they came, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing those who were of the circumcision. 13 And the rest of the Jews also played the hypocrite with him, so that even Barnabas was carried away with their hypocrisy. 14 But when I saw that they were not straightforward about the truth of the gospel, I said to Peter before them all, "If you, being a Jew, live in the manner of Gentiles and not as the Jews, why do you F3 compel Gentiles to live as Jews?The apostle Paul
Circa AD50
I don't think that intepretation is pandemic among all pretribs. There are many who indicate that the virgin parable represents the end of the tribulation and those who become believers during that period. MT 24-25 the question focuses upon the establishment of the Kingdom, and in parallel, to Israel - not the church specifically.
http://www.raptureready.com/featured/ice/AnInterpretationofMatthew24_25_36.html
Jesus' first advent was prophesied in the OT. Those who would dismiss the prophetic words of His second coming by spiritualizing them or associating them with events surrounding AD 70 do a disservice to scripture. Jesus' life was closely tied to prophecy - why wouldn 't His second coming be the same.
Ah, but some folks speak from a superior position in their “readiness”. You see, you are not really “ready” unless you adopt their fanciful interpretations about current events and Jesus’ imminent return in the secret rapture of dispensationalism. You aren’t really “rapture ready” unless you get all weak-in-the-knees when someone mentions the latest events in secular Israel and the rest of the middle east. You aren’t really ready unless you have read and memorized all the Left Behind® novels.
Jesus told His disciples to always be ready, regardless of the century or millennia they find themselves in. They are not to look for signs of the Second Coming because there would not be any. The “sign” would be of that of lightening flashing across the sky. His Second Coming would be at a time His disciples least expected (Matt. 24:44).
No one who makes lists like “50 Reasons Why We Are Living In The End Times” or uses 1948 as a countdown date can be taken seriously with respect to the words of Jesus Himself.
No one is denying that Jesus' Second Coming is tied to prophecy. What non-dispensationalists deny is that futurist dispensationalism has found the correct interpretation of those prophecies. E.g., that Matthew 24 is related to the events of AD70 is admitted even by many dispensationalists who cannot, regardless of how hard they try, twist the plain words to mean something else.
Those who claim a system based on consistent literalism and then have to weasel their way out of many tough passages (such as the blood sacrifices for atonement of Ezekiel 40-48) are really the ones doing a disservice to the plain words of Scripture
Look forward to Part II Quix.
PLease add me to any ping list you may have for this.
A. Heresy is any teaching that directly contradicts the clear and direct witness of the Scriptures on a point of salvific importance. -- Michael Horton
Out of the four basic eschatological views in Christendom, the most consistent element that differentiates Dispensational Pre-Trib Premillennialism from all other eschatological systems is that in Dispensational Pre-trib Premillennialism, God has a different redemptive plan for racial Jews - one that is unique, separate, and even superior to any other redemptive plan offered to any other racial group (Greeks, Gentiles, etc) in history.
Jesus’ first advent was prophesied in the OT. Those who would dismiss the prophetic words of His second coming by spiritualizing them or associating them with events surrounding AD 70 do a disservice to scripture. Jesus’ life was closely tied to prophecy - why wouldn ‘t His second coming be the same.
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INDEED.
VERY WELL PUT.
THX.
A little hard following your logic. Linkage of AD 70 to MT 24-25 is a stretch for nearly all dispensationalist, who hold a higher regard for early writing of the scriptures - e.g. the synoptics being written before AD 70. Many who advocate a post AD 70 authorship date do so because they discount prophecy a priori. Since there cannot be a supernatural knowledge of the future, any "prophecy" written must be fulfilled by that event - no matter if the facts of the event are something completely different than described by the prophecy. Thus their paradox - they must also deny OT prophecy in a similar manner and by doing so, must rationalize away the clear prophecies regarding Jesus.
Thus for the 'correct' interpretation to come about, other predispositions must come into play. Some pretribs have incorrectly, IMHO, linked MT 24-25 to the rapture by failing to observe the whole context of the passage. However, the passage cannot find fulfillment in AD 70's destruction of Israel.
THANKS.
I posted all the parts in the first post. The title had to match the first URL which was just to part 1.
However, I pasted all the parts right after part 1. Part 5 is at the end of that chunk.
Thanks for your kind words.
A little hard following your logic. Linkage of AD 70 to MT 24-25 is a stretch for nearly all dispensationalist, who hold a higher regard for early writing of the scriptures - e.g. the synoptics being written before AD 70. Many who advocate a post AD 70 authorship date do so because they discount prophecy a priori. Since there cannot be a supernatural knowledge of the future, any “prophecy” written must be fulfilled by that event - no matter if the facts of the event are something completely different than described by the prophecy. Thus their paradox - they must also deny OT prophecy in a similar manner and by doing so, must rationalize away the clear prophecies regarding Jesus.
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INDEED!
The REPLACEMENTARIANS are understandably loathe to be wedded to the so called ‘higher criticism’ roots of their heresies. I guess a rubber band from their Rubber Bibles just slings them quickly by that hollow foundation of their perspective.
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Thx for the bump.
There is no hopeless dilemma.
The Word of God is Truth.
Indeed there will be animal sacrifices during the Millennium, during the Millennial reign of Christ on Earth.
Instead of reading into Scripture the errors of theologic systems, it might be more fruitful to let God sanctify the believer who places himself in humility to God and let Him guide our understanding.
BTW, the word atonement was coined in Old English from the words “at - one - ment” signifying the removal of a separation and implying fellowship.
The Hebrew from the Torah speaks of KPR or KOPHAR, (YOM KIPPUR) which is now understood to have a better translation as “cleansing” rather than “covering”. If I recall correctly the term “covering” was the state of translation circa 1916, but circa 1950s, the term was better understood as “cleansing”.
Considering His Word will be written on their hearts and minds in the Millennium, and will occur after the Abomination of Desolation, it isn’t surprising that a cleansing is still required in that relationship.
This does not mean the spiritual sacrifice more precious than the blood of bulls and goats isn’t still recognized in heaven, but a sacrificial system does appear in the Millennium.
False, not in the Church Age.
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