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To: kosta50

kosta50,
I am surprised that you are, again, asking which is the most relevant biblical text related to the biblical view of, and law about, rape since my essays on this issue related to evilbible.com makes it very clear.

Apparently, you are simply not going to challenge what you have been told by evilbible.com and you have not read my proof of their manipulations, fallacies and basic lack of knowledge of the Bible’s contents, contexts and concepts.

Simply stated: the Old Testament law about rape is that when a rape occurs the rapist receives the death penalty (Deuteronomy 22:25-27). Yet, since it is evilbible.com’s contention that the Bible commands or simply does not condemn rape they did not make any reference to this text at all since they would have to give up their promulgation of falsehoods.

I see that you are joining the evilbible.com rank by condemning the Jew Abraham for human sacrifice (which he never engaged in) while not condemning Gentile Pagans (who actually did engage in it).

Please allow me to make one thing clear evilbile.com is not, I repeat not, making their case. They are prepping you by making highly emotive statements, then offering you little crumbs of partial texts and finally, they tell you what you should think that these texts mean.

Meanwhile, they hide texts that are no convenient to their premise and selectively quote texts that they can then manipulate.

You write, “…Lev 27:28-29, where everything that is not redeemed must be put to death (including humans I suppose).” That is just the point; please do not “suppose” but inform yourself so that you do not continue holding to and spreading falsehoods about the Bible.

I can barely understand what you are asking or rather, why you keep insisting that I prove my case. I have been begging you to consider the evidence which I have provided because I have proved it.

Genesis 22:1-18, Lev 27:28-29, Judges 11:29-40, Joshua 7:15—I have dealt with all of these. I have personally dealt with every single text that evilbible.com quotes or otherwise cites related to rape, human sacrifice, Jesus having lied, and charges of Jewish and Christian hypocrisy.

I taken evilbible.com seriously enough to specifically respond to each and every one of their claims related to the above mentioned issues.

As far as I can tell, you are not willing to consider that they might even be mistaken on any of their claims and will simply believe what they tell you.

Now, you are responsible for yourself: you have made claims premised upon evilbible.com’s statements and have been told where to find point by point, specific refutations of each and every one of those points—it is up to you.


45 posted on 08/12/2009 7:23:16 AM PDT by MarianoApologeticus (Please engage in skepticism)
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To: MarianoApologeticus
Simply stated: the Old Testament law about rape is that when a rape occurs the rapist receives the death penalty (Deuteronomy 22:25-27). Yet, since it is evilbible.com’s contention that the Bible commands or simply does not condemn rape they did not make any reference to this text at all

Well, since you mention Deuteronomy 22, let's see what it says, beside the cherry-picked verses you list. Verses 28 and 29 say that if a man finds a girl in the field who is not engaged and seizes her and lies with her, he can make her his wife by paying 50 shekels to the father [quote ] "because he has VIOLATED her."

But he doesn't die for his rape. He pays for the "damaged goods" and they are his. And the fact that the girls was raped? Obviously the issue of violating women is not considered evil in itself in the eyes of the Hebrew God (if the Bible is truly God's word, that is), but a suitable means of acquiring a wife (for a nominal fee)!

There is no penalty for rape itself in the OT . There is penalty for violating someone else's property because it's considered stealing. It has to do with property, and women are treated like property in the Hebrew Bible. If she is "paid for" or otherwise claimed by a man, you may not touch her. But if she is free, and you want her, you can simply rape her, pay 50 shekels in silver, and she is yours!  No automatic death penalty for rape for a nominal fee.

And you are telling me the Old Testament doesn't condone rape? 

46 posted on 08/12/2009 8:42:05 AM PDT by kosta50 (Don't look up, the truth is all around you)
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