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To: vladimir998; Wife of D; AnalogReigns
http://knowledgerush.com/kr/encyclopedia/Moravian/ The establishment of the Moravian church as a Christian church occurred as a reaction against certain alleged errors within the Roman Catholic church. This movement was started by a priest named Jan Hus. Bohemia and Moravia had been Orthodox, and had been forced to convert to Catholicism, even though Rome said that it recognized the Orthodox presence in the area. Jan Hus simply wanted to return the church in Bohemia and Moravia to the practices it had under Orthodoxy; namely married priests, liturgy in the language of the people, lay people receiving communion in both kinds, and the elimination of indulgences and the idea of purgatory. This movement had royal support and a certain independence for a while but was eventually forced to be subject to Rome. Some of the Hussites struck a deal with Rome that allowed them most of what they wanted. These were called the Utraquists. The other followers of Hus remained outside Roman Catholicism and within fifty years of Hus's death organized the Bohemian Brethren or Unity of the Brethren. The Moravians were some of the earliest Protestants, rebelling against the authority of Rome more than a hundred years before Martin Luther.
60 posted on 08/13/2009 12:06:56 PM PDT by Nikas777 (En touto nika, "In this, be victorious")
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To: Nikas777

You’re still failing UTTERLY to post evidence of your statement - you know, the statement you now claim you didn’t write.

You posted:

“Jan Hus simply wanted to return the church in Bohemia and Moravia to the practices it had under Orthodoxy;”

1) Completely unsubstantiated.
2) Written by? No one apparently knows.
3) It doesn’t say what YOU claimed. You claimed this:

“This is laid the groundwork for the resentment that long simmered against the Latin church.”

To substantiate that statement - the statement you now deny ever posting - you must prove the following:

1) There was long “simmering” “resentment” against the Catholic Church.
2) That the long “simmering” “resentment” against the Catholic Church was a DIRECT RESULT of what happened to the church in Moravia AFTER the time of Sts. Cyril and Methodius.
3) That the long “simmering” “resentment” against the Catholic Church lasted - some how - lasted 500 years.
And:
4) That the long “simmering” “resentment” against the Catholic Church DIRECTLY - after 500 years - led to the revolts of Jan Huss, the Hussites, and the conception of the Moravian sect.

Your quote showed exactly NONE OF THAT.
Any and all claims that Huss was an Orthodox Christian in no way, shape or form serves as evidence that he knew, was informed by, or cultivated a supposed 500 year old “simmering” “resentment” against the Catholic Church that some how led to the formation of the Moravian sect.

Do you have any evidence for your claim or not?

Are you now at least going to admit that these are your words?: “This is laid the groundwork for the resentment that long simmered against the Latin church.”


62 posted on 08/13/2009 12:18:11 PM PDT by vladimir998
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