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Posted on 08/12/2009 4:41:31 AM PDT by Teófilo
Sometimes, they make a mess of things.
And some of these professional Catholic convert apologists have too much protestant and post-VII baggage to truly serve and understand the Church.
With very few exceptions, no.
There was a breakthrough in 2007, when ...
The 46-paragraph document approved at the Ravenna meeting-- which is due for release on November 15-- refers to the Bishop of Rome as the "first among the patriarchs," La Repubblica reported. The document recognizes the historical patriarchates of the united Church, in Constantinople, Alexandria, Antioch, and Jerusalem. Among these, the Ravenna participants agreed, Rome has primacy.
Ecumenical talks reach partial accord on papal primacy
Some progress has been gained and that is always a positive for both sides of the discussion.
Funny, I heard almost the same thing, except that it was the Church of Rome that is coming back to The Church.... :)
Indeed they do...but only after they have spent sufficient time to "die to the self", to experience that metanoia which destroys the "old man" and replaces it with a servant of God whose nous is focused, as much as it can be for those of us who live "in the world", on Christ, a servant who understands that our original created purpose is to become "gods", not by nature but by grace. For the Western Christian child of the Enlightenment, a member of one of the many "eccelsial groups" which arose outside The Church, this is not easy. Especially today, whether that Western Christian is a social or political liberal or conservative, this becoming a "servant of God" is just about the most counter-cultural path one can follow. It is a humbling process and the West is not humble; so hard for us and yet the Holy Spirit, God, is represented by the most humble of creatures, a dove, and approaches us so quietly that we seldom know of the approach until God Himself has taken up his abode in us fallen creatures. But pride prevents that.
Fortunately, you don't get to make that call ;-)
The Church is the Body of Christ. Catholics are committed to Christ and to His Church.
Go ahead and play semantics all you want. Yours is a position and a belief that is also going away very soon. In the twinkling of an eye ;-)
Maryolatry is certainly not Christian.
Amen.
How many times have Catholics told you that they venerate Mary? That they do not worship her?
Why do you continue to believe the lies that someone is telling you?
Why don’t you dig in to it yourself and find the REAL truth.
>> “The Church is the Body of Christ” <<
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The mystical, invisible church is the Bride of Christ, and will rise to meet him in the air, the First Resurrection, at the beginning of Christ’s millenial reign.
I frequently hear catholics actually praying to Mary. That is idolatrous worship, and any other name you wish to add does not change that fact.
3. All bishops are equal in their power and jurisdiction. Precedence between bishops is a matter of canonical and therefore of human, not divine law. “Primacies” of honor or even jurisdiction of one bishop over many is a matter of ecclesiastical law, and dependent bishops need to give their consent to such subordination in synod assembled.
AMEN!!
And those left will learn the hard way - and finally ‘get it’ when they see their church wondering what happened as their hierarchy hide in the vatican, the pope-mobile mothballed, as all hell breaks loose.
It will turn out to be what it takes to wake up the deceived. Nothing said here will do that - God’s Word means nothing to them because ‘their church’ trumps God’s Word. So they will be left with their church while Holy Spirit filled believers in God/God’s Word alone are taken HOME!
HD, as a matter of curiosity, who tells you this difference is "not significant"? It is in fact the primary issue being addressed in the consultations among the theologians of The Church in the East and the West. Without resolution of this issue, there will be no reunion because there will be no new Great Council.
You may want to give the Ravenna Document another read.
http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_councils/chrstuni/ch_orthodox_docs/rc_pc_chrstuni_doc_20071013_documento-ravenna_en.html
It's significant enough for the Catholics to claim the Orthodox aren't in full communion with them!
Antichrist is not just “any” bishop; he’s the one that declares himself to be in place of Christ.
The difference is that the Orthodox always had the received text for all to read if they wished, while Rome forbid the common man to read the word of God.
The Little Horn sits in Rome.
>> “It’s significant enough for the Catholics to claim the Orthodox aren’t in full communion with them!” <<
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To their credit!
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