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Arlene Oost-Zinner is president of the St. Cecilia Schola in Auburn, Alabama. Jeffrey Tucker is managing editor of Sacred Music magazine and editor of Mises.org. They can be reached at 
1 posted on 08/18/2009 3:44:35 PM PDT by NYer
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To: Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; nickcarraway; Romulus; ...

..... Or you can attend an Eastern Catholic Divine Liturgy where you will find all of the above, especially a reverent Sign of Peace that brings smiles to all the congregation.


2 posted on 08/18/2009 3:45:47 PM PDT by NYer ( "One Who Prays Is Not Afraid; One Who Prays Is Never Alone"- Benedict XVI)
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To: NYer

Our announcements go on and on. I could see announcing if there’s donuts and coffee afterwards...but other than that we ought just say “READ THE BULLETIN.”

Chanting psalms could be a wonderful thing, but then our organist wouldn’t be able to perform.


3 posted on 08/18/2009 3:49:11 PM PDT by perez24 (Dirty deeds, done dirt cheap.)
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To: NYer

This is a good article. I see some points that can be applied to our Spanish liturgy, and some things we’re already doing.

For example, I like the idea of “chant,” or a simple Spanish song ;-), before the Mass “officially” begins. The Spanish-speaking congregation is not used to chant, so this would be a place to have it performed by the choir, without worrying about the congregation’s being flummoxed.

We also have the resources to sing more of the Psalms, which our parish does in the English services, while it hasn’t been the custom in the Spanish Mass. We could start with major feasts and see how it goes over.


4 posted on 08/18/2009 3:50:07 PM PDT by Tax-chick (If you've ever discovered your cow eating a guest in the barn, you'll understand.)
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I so agree with this guy’s 14 ways to improve. I have attended Masses where the Sign of Peace lasts for so long that you have time to offer your hand to everyone there. Also, I REALLY agree with this statement: “Cantors use microphones as if they’re music-video performers.” Please. I am worshipping here, save it for a stage. Singing the Kyrie is pleasing idea, as well.


5 posted on 08/18/2009 3:52:38 PM PDT by La Lydia
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To: NYer

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9 posted on 08/18/2009 4:01:15 PM PDT by AJFavish (www.allanfavish.com)
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This article is right on the money.

Our music director has already implemented 90% of this.

I hear through the ecclesiastical grapevine that people are coming from all over to hear the music. It's a shame that reverent, authentic Catholic music is so darn rare!

10 posted on 08/18/2009 4:03:28 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: NYer

Good suggestions all.


13 posted on 08/18/2009 4:06:02 PM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: NYer

Great post. If only all our churches would adopt these guidelines. I find myself very distracted at Mass and this would help tremendously.


14 posted on 08/18/2009 4:12:37 PM PDT by Melian ("An unexamined life is not worth living." ~Socrates)
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Only a few minutes pass between the reception of Communion and the time of departure. This is a wonderful time for silence: no music, announcements, children's blessings, or anything. Just prayer.

Prayer &/or reflection or a moment to say your own "favorite" prayer...But this is my favorite "improvement." Give us a minute to be alone with our thoughts.

15 posted on 08/18/2009 4:14:16 PM PDT by justkate
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In parishes, there is no choice: watch in silence as the celebrant gives Communion to the elite laypeople who have been selected as official "eucharistic ministers."

Extraordinary Ministers of the Eucharist should be used in extraordinary circumstances. Not every Mass every Sunday. How about waiting to "receive" Holy Communion rather than running up to "take" Holy Communion. This is creating the appearance of a privileged class of the laity.

22 posted on 08/18/2009 4:40:13 PM PDT by frogjerk (Obama Administration: Security thru Absurdity)
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How about just one general suggestion: STOP PANDERING! The Mass is what it is--or rather, it should be what it used to be: Stately, dignified, mysterious, solemn, deeply moving, enigmatic, inscrutable, sublime, transcendent. Like the works of Bach, it was simultaneously ancient yet amazingly fresh and modern. Vatican II introduced the notion that people are too brutish and stupid to comprehend the Latin liturgy, too hyperactive to appreciate Gregorian Chant, too self-centered to want to devote 45 minutes of their Sunday worshiping God.

My prediction is that, if the liturgy were to be restored to its pre-Vatican II form, Mass attendance would increase exponentially.

27 posted on 08/18/2009 4:58:34 PM PDT by giotto
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What a great article. I agree with all her suggestions!


30 posted on 08/18/2009 5:21:03 PM PDT by Salvation (With God all things are possible.)
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Many pastors (as ours does) have to pick their battles. Our pastor is improving our Mass each year since he came five years ago. I believe we will now see some leaps with the New Liturgy!

BTW, sending this to my priest. Thanks for the post.


31 posted on 08/18/2009 5:23:30 PM PDT by Salvation (With God all things are possible.)
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LOL! We don’t have to worry about this in the Byzantine Rite. We stand for the entire service (except during the Epistle), the whole congregation chants in response to Father’s acclamations, back and forth,in the Divine Liturgy composed by St. John Chrysostom himself. There is no instrumentation, no handshaking, and all communicants receive on the tongue in both species, from a golden spoon. What’s to improve??


40 posted on 08/18/2009 7:45:35 PM PDT by redhead (If it's worth fighting for, it's worth dying for. Check the Halfbaked Sourdough)
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To: NYer; Religion Moderator

Why is this in the Evangelical Christian sidebar? You do this frequently.


44 posted on 08/19/2009 5:04:47 AM PDT by lupie
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I wish I could have gotten to the computer last night, but, alas, it's peach season and I have at least five batches of preserves to go.

Great article. We do most of this, which comes as a bit of a shock to the tourists.

I will say, though, that depending on the room, amplification can be a necessary evil. In a smaller church built before about 1960, you can get away with no mikes if you have a choir that can project and has decent diction. Part of the problem is to really make the music thing work, you have to have musicians who are trained to know what they are doing.

I do think that the peace and silence needs to be stressed. Mass is for worship, not a social hour. That's for coffee and donuts afterward.

45 posted on 08/19/2009 5:14:14 AM PDT by Desdemona (True Christianity requires open hearts and open minds - not blind hatred.)
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I'm sure this will offend the entire Catholic folks here, but I was raised in the old "Traditions", have had a dialogue Mass since I was a child ... in Latin then in English, before there was permission, in fact. Oh those awful Carmelite priests of my parish.

I am a Novus Ordo person ... perhaps a VERY OCCASIONAL return to the past would be OK -- but to say all of the negative things I read here as universal faults is pretty "Phariseetic" of many.

Of course, I would OBEY what is dictated by the Magesterium, but to condemn all music that is not a drag as being distracting is a pretty broad brush.

We have three ethnic languages in our Parish, English, Spanish and Tagalog ... all get attention at different Masses. The music goes in hand with the ethnicity of the Mass.

Our "guitars", etc. are respectful and inspire cohesive participation. I love most of it ... I know all of the old Latin Standards as well and understand them ... I'll take the new, particularly those based on the psalms.

I skip most of these threads, but feeling angry and dissassociated is pretty sad for a practicing Catholic to have to feel about those who look down their holy noses at me and those like me.

To insinuate that people are leaving for evangelical type religions is not a reflection on the Services differences, it is more likely the lack of anything but the nicey-nicey babble that is coming from the pulpit in the Catholic Church and the wishy washy Bishops and hierarchy in the Catholic Church in this country.

In no way am I associated or otherwise sympathetic or connected with the new wave schisms in the Church (the rebel sisters, etc), I am just who I am proud to be ... a living, breathing, active participant with all of you in our roles in the Mystical Body of Christ.
46 posted on 08/19/2009 5:16:40 AM PDT by AKA Elena (St Michael the Archangel defend us in Battle -- and this is war!)
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Here's something radical. Why not actually chant the Propers of the Mass? You know, the Introit, the Gradual and Alleluia, the Offertory Verse and the Communion Verse.

For example, instead of a "gathering song" (gag) have the choir chant the Introit. For this coming Sunday (unfortunate minimalist translation): Listen, Lord, and answer me. Save your servant who trusts in you. I call to you all day long, have mercy on me, O Lord.

The Anglican Use Gradual (which we use in our Novus Ordo Masses): Bow down, O Lord, thine ear to me and hear me: O my God, save Thy servant that trusteth in Thee; have mercy upon me. O Lord, for I have called daily upon Thee.

How many parishes' music directors ever consider the Propers? They're mostly ignored and yet they should be primary in the music of the Mass. They're integral to the structure of each Sunday's Mass. Yet hardly any parish uses this most proper option.

Instead we have the four-hymn sandwich. A hymn, however dignified and stately and beautiful is no match for the actual Proper that belongs to those parts we've been accustomed to hearing and singing a liturgical song.

The structure of the Mass is compromised when all we rely on are the hymns. To recover what is truly Catholic, recover the Propers. Plain and simple. Then you get away from this debate on stylistic choices.

Fr. Columba Kelly has been writing them for years in a hermeneutic of continuity with tradition. They're simply breathtaking and in the vernacular. The Arbogast Complete English Propers has them. And Richard Rice has just complete the Simple Choral Gradual for the whole church year that is accessible for choirs and parishes that are not yet able to do Gregorian chant.

These are free! No longer does your parish have to be slaves to the OCP/GIA monopoly on church music. These people are offering this to the church for free. And the music is gorgeous.

And no, I do not work for the CMAA. Just an ordinary and obscure musician working in the hermeneutic of continuity and for the reform of the reform.

Sancta Cecilia, ora pro nobis.

53 posted on 08/19/2009 10:27:01 AM PDT by Carolina (Ubi Petrus, Ibi Ecclesiae)
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