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To: Reno232
Are those preachers that preach & practice homosexuality & fornication, thus leading their followers away from the doctrines of Christ & what the Lord described as abominations, saved, even though they are Christians & “believe”?

Yes, they are in error and need to be corrected. Are they saved? I do not know, but all indication tells me that they are not. Not all who profess to be in Christ are. God judges the heart. These supposed “leaders” are not. There are however, foolish people who will follow these “leaders” just as it says in scripture. We are warned to keep our eyes open to these men....

Jude 1:12 These are the men who are hidden reefs in your love feasts when they feast with you without fear, caring for themselves; clouds without water, carried along by winds; autumn trees without fruit, doubly dead, uprooted;Jude 1:13 wild waves of the sea, casting up their own shame like foam; wandering stars, for whom the black darkness has been reserved forever. (NASB ©1995)

and...

2 Peter 2:9 The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished: 10 But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, selfwilled, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities. 11 Whereas angels, which are greater in power and might, bring not railing accusation against them before the Lord. 12 But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption; 13 And shall receive the reward of unrighteousness, as they that count it pleasure to riot in the day time. Spots they are and blemishes, sporting themselves with their own deceivings while they feast with you; 14 Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children: 15 Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Bosor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness; 16 But was rebuked for his iniquity: the dumb ass speaking with man's voice forbad the madness of the prophet.

17 These are wells without water, clouds that are carried with a tempest; to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever. 18 For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error. 19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.

They remind me of certain others I know who profess to be “prophets” yet lead others into sins of adultery, polygamy, self-focused works and self-glorification. I think you know who I am talking about. ;)

And then of course, we could talk about the dozens of scriptures that talk about the principle of “faith without WORKS is dead”.

I read it as “FAITH without works is dead”. Faith comes first. With faith comes salvation. Then follows the good works that comes through Christ Jesus....just as scripture tells us.

“For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast. For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.”

493 posted on 10/01/2009 10:33:31 AM PDT by colorcountry (A faith without truth is not true faith.)
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To: colorcountry
“Not all who profess to be in Christ are. God judges the heart. These supposed “leaders” are not. There are however, foolish people who will follow these “leaders” just as it says in scripture. We are warned to keep our eyes open to these men....”

So, not all that believe in Christ will be saved in your opinion. In other words, unless they teach & follow correct principles (WORKS), they are not in Christ & can't be saved. Even if it is their true belief that what they're doing is right, that Christ is their savior, they teach that Christ is their savior & Atoned for their sins? Even if they believe in the Trinity, the Bible, the words of the prophets, etc....., even if they really believe that their interpretations of the Bible are correct in regards to homosexuality, etc., Still no dice for them?

All because they don't believe in some of the doctrines as you do? I thought you folks believed that ALL were saved that sincerely believed. You mean there are works involved, like teaching & living correct principles? Who would have known? :0

BTW, faith does proceed works. That doesn't necessarily mean that works aren't necessary. Again, why the commandments if all that was necessary was faith. If works were a natural byproduct of faith, why make works a commandment? It should already be there right?

501 posted on 10/01/2009 11:12:46 AM PDT by Reno232
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