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To: Mr Rogers
Are you a Christian sir?

Interesting question given the teachings of the ucg that, with the exception of them, of course, the rest of Christianity has fallen into apostasy. You spoke truth concerning the core doctrines of ucg as well. So instead of clarifying or defending those points, you are asked this. However, by exposing this, it is possible that you will now be considered, shall we say, persona non gratis because you don't smother it in sugary, sloppy agape'.

84 posted on 11/01/2009 2:17:41 PM PST by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: Godzilla; Mr Rogers; All
Interesting question given the teachings of the ucg that, with the exception of them, of course, the rest of Christianity has fallen into apostasy.

I don't think it's just UCG that thinks that Christianity has fallen into apostasy. There are major Christian denominations that have clearly done so. The Evangelical Lutheran Church in America has decided that non-repentent homosexuals can serve in the clergy. Anglican have appointed a gay bishop. Mega churches teach prosperity gospels. TV preachers fleece the flock. Christianity is a big business and many retailers, booksellers and others exploit the name of Christ to earn a buck.

No, there's no doubt that Christianity IS in apostasy. It's the natural result of failing to recognize sin.

Is UCG perfect? Of course not. All organizations of men are prone to corruption. All's we can hope to do is recognize those who have the spirit of Christ and fellowship with them.

You spoke truth concerning the core doctrines of ucg as well.

You did and it's no secret. It's public. It's the mission of the organization to publicize it. The organization maintains several websites in order to fulfill the great commission:

Good News Magazine

UCG Main Website

Virtual Christian

World News and Prophecy

Vertical Thought

So instead of clarifying or defending those points, you are asked this. However, by exposing this, it is possible that you will now be considered, shall we say, persona non gratis because you don't smother it in sugary, sloppy agape'

As I told you freepmail, I don't have a problem clarifying or defending a point. I do have a problem continuing to communicate with people who are rude, ungracious and impolite. And especially when they claim to have the spirit of Christ.

85 posted on 11/01/2009 3:50:45 PM PST by DouglasKC
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A private email from one of those reading this thread criticized me for being harsh, and suggested a christian brother should be rebuked, if needed, in private before going public.

For any who is reading, my response is:

"For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not confess the coming of Jesus Christ in the flesh. Such a one is the deceiver and the antichrist. Watch yourselves, so that you may not lose what we have worked for, but may win a full reward. Everyone who goes on ahead and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God. Whoever abides in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house or give him any greeting, for whoever greets him takes part in his wicked works."

When someone is questioning, of COURSE we should entertain their questions. When someone is wrong about doctrine, it is a bit dicier.

When I lived in Utah, the Mormons would try to convert me, and I them, but all understood we were not part of the same church or believers in the same God. So that was fair.

I debate with a number of Catholics on these boards concerning serious issues - but we worship God, accept the Trinity, believe baptism & communion are both valuable, etc. We differ on extent, and I freely admit I believe many, if not all, Popes have not been Christians. When John Paul 2 says folks can be saved apart from Jesus Christ, I have more hope for the soul of Teddy Kennedy than I do for him.

But cults are NOT my fellow Christians. We are NOT brothers in Christ. And John has told us what to do: "do not receive him into your house or give him any greeting, for whoever greets him takes part in his wicked works"!

I do not believe I have been rude or mean on this thread. But neither will I compromise in the name of a unity that doesn't exist. "Pay careful attention to yourselves and to all the flock, in which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to care for the church of God, which he obtained with his own blood. I know that after my departure fierce wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock; and from among your own selves will arise men speaking twisted things, to draw away the disciples after them." - Acts 20

98 posted on 11/02/2009 11:25:18 AM PST by Mr Rogers (I loathe the ground he slithers on!)
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