Posted on 12/08/2009 11:41:52 AM PST by Gamecock
Earlier in this thread the very words of your pope were posted and he clearly was worshiping Mary
The faith is not defended by feigning gross insult at publicly stated stupidities.
What if what the Protestants wrongly say about the Church leads folks into error? You know, like this thread?
Then simply stating the truth works for me. Its well enough to just state the Catholic position and leave Gamecock and the his fellows to the name-calling and ridiculous yarn-spinning. Anyone of good will can quickly see the difference.
So let the Protestants say whatever they wish here. In this day and age of the internet and computers, the truth is easily available to anyone who wants it. I learned that 13 years ago in India discussing of all things Fr. Feeney and this dogma and the Christian faith with Hindus in Delhi (for the record, the Hindu's brought up Fr. Feeney and "outside the Church there is no salvation", not me). For all of Fr. Feeney's faults, he managed to get the gospel out to the whole world though his insistent defense of this dogma.
You must be?
Well, if you insist...
...That’s a very flawed take on it...How come Catholics have been kicked out for worshipping Mary, then???!!!
...Freegards...
Where did these bad Catholics learn to worship Mary??? What could they have done or said that anything differnt than what the pope said in his discourse???
I'd guess that they knew they were worshiping Mary and admitted it, while doing nothing different than other Catholics do...
You have a significant proof problem.
You have much more faith in the internet than I do. I say stick up for the Church when you can and I think counting on folk’s google-fu to sort out the errors is stupid.
Why are you even posting on this thread if you don’t care?
Freegards
Why not, I'm a villain for Jesus...
Yeah. Riiiiight.
“Where did these bad Catholics learn to worship Mary???”
Not the Church, thet kicked them out for doing so!!!
“What could they have done or said that anything differnt than what the pope said in his discourse???”
I have no idea what this means!!!
“I’d guess that they knew they were worshiping Mary and admitted it, while doing nothing different than other Catholics do...”
...I reckon you would be guessing wrong!!! The Church kicked them out for worshipping Mary because they were worshipping Mary!!!
Freegards...
You better go back and do another Google search about Catholic dogma. The Church holds that sin is a willful act. It presumes a knowledge of the difference between right and wrong and a rejection of right. The Church does not presume to know what is in the hearts and heads of any individual. It even holds that those who have never heard the Word of God or never known of Jesus Christ (i.e.; pagan babies) are not denied the Kingdom of Heaven if they have not rejected what is Good.
I would also add that your false Catholicism is bleeding through in your presumption that the TULIP (5 points of Calvinism - Total hereditary depravity, Unconditional election, Limited atonement, Irresistible grace, Perseverance of the saints) apply to Catholic teachings.
I wonder how many Buddhists admit to worshipping statues of Buddha.
Denial is a very handy psychological defense in all RELIGIONS.
Not sure how that holds up theologically, but it’s interesting to look at it that way.
Sounds like a rather heretical position to me. After all, being a "convert" implies a change in position.
What’s wrong with going straight to the One who made us, and paid a dear price for our souls?
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INDEED . . .
—Welllllll uhhhh . . .
Jesus is soooo . . . welll so God . . . and all . . .
Mary is so much more . . . accessible . . . all Motherly and all . . . nice lap all nurturing and all . . .
[COME UNTO ME all you that labor and are heavy laden . . . ]
Yeah, wellllll . . . that’s all nice and good and all but . . . MUMMY JUST BEATS OUT GOD HANDS DOWN, every time . . .
[Which part of HAVE NO OTHER GODS (icons, images, personages, idols, priorities . . .) BEFORE ME (do Roman Catholics/Vatican affiliates not get???)
OH, WELL! [ruffling feathers] MARY’S NO GOD—WE JUST TREAT HER (memory, personage, image, fantasies about her) LIKE ONE errrrr uhhhh strike that . . . uhhhh . . .
Mary and her warm lap are ALWAYS SOOOOOOO WELCOMING [in our fantasies] . . . we just never know when Jesus might get the whip and drive us out like the money changers given that we are so imperfect at all our necessary obligations and all . . . .
And Mary always has such nice smelling white hankies and spiritual candy for us. All Jesus has is yokes and a daily cross and troubles to rejoice in and lots of other refining unfun stuff.
Jesus and THE FATHER . . . Goodness . . . Daddy was strict and stern enough. Who needs a daily session with eternal GOD-STRICTNESS! No thanks. Mary’s nurturing sweetness and warm shoulder or warm lap are just what my bruised ego needs several times a day. So many people just don’t get how angelic I am so I NEED Mary’s comfort to get over the pain of it all. I don’t need more Christ or Father’s conviction about my imperfections and more exhortations about towing the line more strictly. /sar
Mary’s soooo much more . . . . wellll Motherly. And I always did better lobbying Mummy. So Mary helps me feel like I have more of a useful level of INFLUENCE, that’s it, INFLUENCE in high places. My lobbying skills just kind of pick up with Mary where they left off with Mummy. It feels all quite normal and . . . productive. I was very good at lobbying Mummy compared to Daddy.
And Mary’s empathy is sooooo familiar and Mummy-like. So comforting and conventional.
[He was touched with the feelings of our infirmities]
Yeah but the Goddess’s, I mean Mary’s warm feminine smile; her nice ageless face; the soft magicsterical kosherness of her Roman Catholic clothing . . . it’s all sooooo familiar and comforting.
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/sar
The Vatican—particularly when considering even a hundred years—is all over the water front on any number of issues. Within it’s ranks are a plethera of competing perspectives on a long list of theological issues.
Oh, right, the magicsterical . . . and the official dogma . . .
What a cop-out. There are Bishops and Cardinals . . . not to mention Priests in more or less right standing . . . claiming almost everything under the sun as Good Christian thought and practice
EVERY BIT AS DIVERSE AS ‘CONFUSING’ ALL THOSE DENOMINATIONS.
I’d think that Good Christian integrity would have an easy time admitting that.
There ya go again . . .
trying to CONFUSE folks with unshredded HISTORIC FACTS.
I think COULD is a poor choice of words . . .
He DID NOT. SCRIPTURE IS CLEAR THAT HE DID NOT.
HE CHOSE HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON.
HE SET HIM ABOVE ALL. WITHOUT HIM WAS NOTHING MADE. BEFORE HIM EVERY KNEE SHALL BOW.
One COULD get the hint that THE FATHER considers THE SON IMMEASUREABLY ABOVE ALL ELSE . . . INCLUDING MARY.
There is that alright.
Nevertheless, the worst of our “nagging”
doesn’t even begin to scratch the surface of their relentless IN-YOUR-FACE
ROMAN CATHOLIC/VATICAN THREADS BY THE DOZENS WEEKLY . . . SEEMING TO VERY VAINLY BE TRYING TO TURN FR INTO AN ARM OF THE VATICAN PROPAGANDA MACHINE. Sheesh.
Horrific blasphemy.
Joya cuteness fix ping
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