Skip to comments.Pope John Paul II and Pope Pius XII move closer to sainthood
Posted on 12/19/2009 5:10:49 PM PST by SeekAndFind
The controversial wartime pope accused of failing to openly condemn the Holocaust has moved a step closer to sainthood, the Vatican has confirmed.
Pope Pius XII will be declared venerable after the current pontiff Pope Benedict XVI approved a "heroic virtues decree", the first of three stages before canonisation.
To be declared venerable, a church investigation has to conclude that the person in question lived a life of exemplary holiness and heroic virtue. There must be nothing in the dead persons writings that enables these characteristics to be challenged.
Pope Benedict has also agreed to declare his predecessor Pope John Paul II venerable, just four years after his death, it has been announced.
Jewish groups had asked the pope to delay the process for Pius XII until further World War Two archives could be studied. He reigned from March 1939 until his death in 1958, and opponents claim he failed to explicitly speak out against Hitler or openly offer support to Jewish people.
Both Jewish and Catholic scholars have complained that Vatican archives on Pius XII are only fully accessible for the years up to 1939. It is understood the Vatican has said the 16 million files relating to Pius XII's 19-year reign will not be ready for public viewing until 2014 at the earliest.
We are saddened and disappointed that the pontiff would feel compelled to fast-track Pope Pius at a point where the issue of the record, the history and the coming to a judgment, is still wide open, said Abraham Foxman, a Holocaust survivor and the director of the US-based Anti-Defamation League.
The Vatican has maintained that Pius XII worked behind the scenes during the war, fearing that any direct intervention may have worsened the situation for both Jews and Catholics.
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they were either saints when they died because they
accepted Christ’s payment for their sins or they
weren’t. If they were, great. They are saints. If
they weren’t, not good.
Yup. The truth is that I’m a saint, thanks to Christ alone. I only need Scripture to tell me that, not the Roman Catholic Church.
Hubris...it's not just for breakfast anymore.
We are all sinners. Only through much diligence can a person become a saint. Much prayer, much fasting, much sacrifice, much service, etc.
Even St. Paul says that we are sinners, not saints.
“We are all sinners. Only through much diligence can a person become a saint. Much prayer, much fasting, much sacrifice, much service, etc.
This may be your view. I respect you.
It is not the teaching of the Holy Bible, which refers
to all who have trusted Christ for salvation as saints.
No “prayer, much fasting, much sacrifice, much service”
will do it.
There is no higher authority than God in these matters.
I must accept His opinion over your own - heck, over my
So as I wrote, for all men, popes included, if they are
not saints before they part the earth, they will never
be. If they are, they will remain saints forever.
You call it “hubris.” I call it simply adhering to Scripture.
You cling to your church. Go ahead. I’ll cling to Christ, my savior.
I affirm my tagline. How I love Christ. How I abhor those who would exalt themselves above Him and His word. How I abhor those who diminish His salvation by requiring allegiance to a particular denomination.
Petronski, you defame Christ by say that He is not sufficient. You defame Christ by saying that Christ Himself is not sufficient for salvation and abundant life. You defame Christ, Petronski, by diminishing the Savior.
I have usually ignored your posts and many others like them, believing as I do that FR is a place where conservatives should gather regardless of religious differences and fight our common enemies on the left. You seem to take every opportunity for insufferable preachiness towards Catholics and our Church and to treat FR as a platform for refighting the Thirty Years' War. Our common enemies and His continue to delight in this nonsense. No one died and left you to instruct Catholics in matters of faith.
How biblical of you.
Adhering to your own personal intepretation of Scripture.
You cling to your church. Go ahead.
The Church founded by Christ? The very Bride of Christ? I cling to Christ, so naturally I worship in the Church He founded for us.
Ill cling to Christ, my savior.
Petronski, you defame Christ by say that He is not sufficient.
Never said He is not sufficient and I rebuke the notion. Strike one.
You defame Christ by saying that Christ Himself is not sufficient for salvation and abundant life.
I never said any such thing and I rebuke it. Strike two.
You defame Christ, Petronski, by diminishing the Savior.
I have never diminished Christ and I rebuke the very idea of it. Strike three.
I'm not permitted to call those lies or to call you a liar, since it's not possible for me to know if you understand how false your statements are.
But you are bearing false witness...loudly...brashly...with every indication of keen enjoyment.
Good luck with that.
They really do enjoy building a straw-man argument, don’t they?
For some that is a noble calling apparently.
BTW, you should check out Acts of the Apostasy at Blogspot and vote for the St. Thomas More Profile in Courage Award (I voted for Bishop Tobin) and the Baron Richie Rich Profile in Cowardice Award (I voted for Doug Kmiec).
The true Scriptural quote is “May I decrease and Christ increase”
That would be good advice for you.
And it never achieves its aims.
And look at what that tiny change seems to reveal: “I’M not the one who needs to decrease, THEY are.”