Posted on 02/24/2010 9:36:26 AM PST by Dr. Eckleburg
Back in one my old philosophy classes I recall lengthy discussions as to the relationship between names and reality, and then spinning around for hours contemplating the brain teaser of what it means to "mean" something about anything. The aftermath: an entire class of young minds slipped further into skepticism, as if the reality each twenty something experienced was completely unknowable. Of course, arriving at the conclusion that ultimate reality is unknowable is... to know something about ultimate reality! Ah, the futility of the sinful mind in its continual construction of Babel towers. Without the presupposition "He is there and He is not silent" the sinful mind does what it does best: it creates a worldview that can't account for the reality it truly experiences.
Despite the aspirin needed after attending such classes, it did force me early on to think about ostensive definitions, and the carefulness with which one defines terms. With theology, correctly using terms takes on the greatest moral imperative: one is speaking about the very holy God that created the universe. Think of terms that are used to describe Biblical doctrine, like "Trinity." One is using a term to describe a collection of factual data given by the Holy Spirit. If ever one should use caution, it should be with the construction of theological terms.
Consider the designator "Catholic Church." The Westminster Confession of Faith explains, "The catholic or universal Church, which is invisible, consists of the whole number of the elect, that have been, are, or shall be gathered into one, under Christ the Head thereof; and is the spouse, the body, the fullness of Him that filleth all in all." The Belgic Confession states that one of its primary distinguishing marks is the "pure preaching of the gospel." If one were pressed to point to that vital factor placing one in the Catholic Church, it is the work of Christ and His Gospel. It is the Gospel which unites the members of the Catholic Church. It is the work of Christ, grasped onto by faith that links those in the Catholic Church together. This pure Gospel is of such importance, that the apostle Paul states if anyone (including himself) preaches another Gospel, he should be eternally condemned.
But what about throwing the word "Roman" into the the mix? The addition of one simple word adds in an ingredient that changes the taste, so to speak. In this short mp3 clip, Tim Staples touched on what "Roman Catholic Church" means. He says "Roman Catholic" has popularly and un-technically come to be synonymous with the term "Catholic". He states "Roman Catholic" popularly means "you're in union with the bishop of Rome." Recent mega-convert Francis Beckwith concurs:
One of my pet peeves is the intentional overuse of "Rome," "Roman," "Romanist," etc. by Protestant critics of Catholic theology. Here's why: the Catholic Church is a collection of many churches in communion with the Bishop of Rome. It's catechism--The Catechism of the Catholic Church--is that of all these churches that are in communion with one another and with the Supreme Pontiff, Pope Benedict XVI. The theology found in that text, therefore, is not Roman Catholic theology. It is Catholic theology. That's the way the Church understands itself. Common courtesy suggests that those who are critical of that theology summon the respect to refer to it as such"[source].
I admit that I've often equated the two terms. I've used the term "Catholic" to describe Roman Catholics. It has taken a conscious effort on my part to keep the terms distinguished. On the other hand, I'm not sure how it's possible to "overuse" the word "Roman" when referring to those who actively and overtly pledge obedience to bishop of Rome. Beckwith is basically saying "Catholic" is the property of the papacy, and they will define the parameters of the word.
Whose theological usage reflects the teaching of sacred Scripture? Is union with the bishop of Rome an element of theological data mined from the Scriptures? Hardly. It's an extra-Biblical presupposition hoisted upon the text. One has to first assume the validity of the papacy and then read it back into the sacred text. The popular definition as described by Mr. Staples and Dr. Beckwith is entirely unbiblical.
There's one other theological term being thrown around with this: anti-Catholic. Recently Roman Catholic apologist Dave Armstrong stated he "temporarily suspended [his] ongoing policy of not interacting with anti-Catholic arguments and polemics." Well, after I ceased shaking in fear over this announcement, I scrolled through Armstrong's multiple diatribes to see his precise meaning of the term "anti-Catholic." His exact formula appears to boil down to: "One who denies that the Catholic Church and its theology is properly classifiable as Christian" [source].
By applying Armstrong's standard, an Anti-Mormon would be one who denies that the Mormon church and its theology is properly classifiable as Christian. Dave would probably say it's a good thing to be anti-Mormon. So, simply using the term "anti" as Armstrong suggests is either good or bad depending on one's presuppositions. According to Dave's definition, I would say it's a good thing to be anti-Catholic in the same way Dave would probably hold it's a good thing to be anti-Mormon.
Armstong's seemingly endless qualifications and examination of the term "anti-Catholic," as well as "his own definition" provoked me to apply what has been discussed above, and consider an alternate theological definition. If "Catholic" is connected symbiotically with the Gospel, wouldn't an anti-Catholic be someone who either denies the Gospel or denies it as that which unites the people of God into the universal Church? If a particular church overtly espouses a different Gospel, according to Paul, let him be anathema. If understood this way, it would be Roman Catholics who are anti-Catholics. Their Council of Trent explicitly rejected the Gospel in an official declaration.
How does one precisely refer to those in communion with Rome and obedient to the Bishop of Rome? Contrary to Beckwith, I've seriously considered using the word "Romanist." The term describes those devoted to the papacy quite succinctly. However, I was informed by another zealous defender of the papacy that "...many non-Catholic apologists are truly bigots at heart and they use 'Roman' as a derogatory insult. Their bigotry becomes even more clear when they use Romish or Romanist." No one wants to be thought of as a bigot. However, in the same Catholic Answers broadcast cited above, Tim Staples and his co-host positively referred to themselves as "Romanists" introducing their "open forum for non-Catholics" show, in which they only take calls from those outside of their worldview. Here is the mp3 clip. Perhaps they were kidding, although it's hard to tell.
I'm tempted to simply start using the term anti-Catholic for the reasons outlined. I can think of no better theological phrase to describe those who inject obedience to the papacy into the term "Catholic Church."
Thank you for all the examples of that in your posts.
All th Baptized get the Holy Spirit.
Our dispute is whether, once the Spirit is given, whether we can screw it up so much that the Spirit leaves.
And we then go to hell.
Sorry, such a thing is not possible. The Holy Spirit is Holy, no one is going to desecrate Him in any way, shape or form. One may grieve the Holy Spirit and the wicked ones can commit the unpardonable sin against Him, but these wicked have no part with Him. If you can provide me with biblical support, I will have to re-consider it
The gospel is only going to come down through Apostolic succession. So which is of more value to you, an office or the gospel?
Do you believe that you are saved, destined for Heaven, assured of salvation, etc?
They will not. Such a thing is impossible. Would christ become a serial killer?
The Spirit never leaves, once given.
Yes, I trust that Christ is who He said He is and that all that He said, is true.
What makes you assured of that?
What makes you think you are one of the chosen?
When you sit there at work every day and decide to either do something useful or go check the internet, are you relying on God forgiving you for wasting time?
As a Christian, I have a new nature. Where once I sinned, I an now no longer a slave to sin. Christ, who has begun a good work in me, will finish it. He says so, and I believe Him. I sin, of course, I'm human, but I am not a slave to it any longer.If I was perfected, I wouldn't be here.
None of us know who is elect and who isn’t. By our fruits, others know us. One thing, if I am elect or not, God be praised. I will strive to live as if I am, and if I am not, that is God’s will and His alone. I am just clay, the potter does whatever He will with it. I will love Him regardless, and loving Him is my reward. However, he has made promises to his sheep and I believe Him.
You need to look into “presumption” and contemplate. God bless you.
OK, this post makes more sense. Not presumptuous.
You lucky Catholics have me when it's pouring rain outside, not much an old rancher can do, except keep the critters fed.
Many people do not understand. There are many Catholics who no longer sin again. They are very good people. They are very proud that they do not sin and really don’t like for anybody to think they can be a part of their club, group, or Church unless they submit themselves to their authority and judgment.
I am part of the “Roman” church in America and I promote none of those things. I don’t understand how some Christians can think it is ok to bear false witness against others.
Yes, thank you
Settle down. It’s just an example of a common sin. I won’t claim I am immune, but it is now way past work hours.
The point remains. To go looking for sins among Catholics instead of substantive remarks is telling.
Please introduce me to these folks. Or retract your obvious fabrication. The Pope himself has a confessor cause he can't stop sinning.
You don’t understand. If you believe that you get to go to Heaven no matter what you do, just because you decided that God loves you, then what’s a few lies in order to gain converts?
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