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WHO REALLY IS 'ANTI-CATHOLIC?'
Alpha and Omega Ministries ^ | 1-23-10 | James Swan

Posted on 02/24/2010 9:36:26 AM PST by Dr. Eckleburg

Back in one my old philosophy classes I recall lengthy discussions as to the relationship between names and reality, and then spinning around for hours contemplating the brain teaser of what it means to "mean" something about anything. The aftermath: an entire class of young minds slipped further into skepticism, as if the reality each twenty something experienced was completely unknowable. Of course, arriving at the conclusion that ultimate reality is unknowable is... to know something about ultimate reality! Ah, the futility of the sinful mind in its continual construction of Babel towers. Without the presupposition "He is there and He is not silent" the sinful mind does what it does best: it creates a worldview that can't account for the reality it truly experiences.

Despite the aspirin needed after attending such classes, it did force me early on to think about ostensive definitions, and the carefulness with which one defines terms. With theology, correctly using terms takes on the greatest moral imperative: one is speaking about the very holy God that created the universe. Think of terms that are used to describe Biblical doctrine, like "Trinity." One is using a term to describe a collection of factual data given by the Holy Spirit. If ever one should use caution, it should be with the construction of theological terms.

Consider the designator "Catholic Church." The Westminster Confession of Faith explains, "The catholic or universal Church, which is invisible, consists of the whole number of the elect, that have been, are, or shall be gathered into one, under Christ the Head thereof; and is the spouse, the body, the fullness of Him that filleth all in all." The Belgic Confession states that one of its primary distinguishing marks is the "pure preaching of the gospel." If one were pressed to point to that vital factor placing one in the Catholic Church, it is the work of Christ and His Gospel. It is the Gospel which unites the members of the Catholic Church. It is the work of Christ, grasped onto by faith that links those in the Catholic Church together. This pure Gospel is of such importance, that the apostle Paul states if anyone (including himself) preaches another Gospel, he should be eternally condemned.

But what about throwing the word "Roman" into the the mix? The addition of one simple word adds in an ingredient that changes the taste, so to speak. In this short mp3 clip, Tim Staples touched on what "Roman Catholic Church" means. He says "Roman Catholic" has popularly and un-technically come to be synonymous with the term "Catholic". He states "Roman Catholic" popularly means "you're in union with the bishop of Rome." Recent mega-convert Francis Beckwith concurs:

One of my pet peeves is the intentional overuse of "Rome," "Roman," "Romanist," etc. by Protestant critics of Catholic theology. Here's why: the Catholic Church is a collection of many churches in communion with the Bishop of Rome. It's catechism--The Catechism of the Catholic Church--is that of all these churches that are in communion with one another and with the Supreme Pontiff, Pope Benedict XVI. The theology found in that text, therefore, is not Roman Catholic theology. It is Catholic theology. That's the way the Church understands itself. Common courtesy suggests that those who are critical of that theology summon the respect to refer to it as such"[source].

I admit that I've often equated the two terms. I've used the term "Catholic" to describe Roman Catholics. It has taken a conscious effort on my part to keep the terms distinguished. On the other hand, I'm not sure how it's possible to "overuse" the word "Roman" when referring to those who actively and overtly pledge obedience to bishop of Rome. Beckwith is basically saying "Catholic" is the property of the papacy, and they will define the parameters of the word.

Whose theological usage reflects the teaching of sacred Scripture? Is union with the bishop of Rome an element of theological data mined from the Scriptures? Hardly. It's an extra-Biblical presupposition hoisted upon the text. One has to first assume the validity of the papacy and then read it back into the sacred text. The popular definition as described by Mr. Staples and Dr. Beckwith is entirely unbiblical.

There's one other theological term being thrown around with this: anti-Catholic. Recently Roman Catholic apologist Dave Armstrong stated he "temporarily suspended [his] ongoing policy of not interacting with anti-Catholic arguments and polemics." Well, after I ceased shaking in fear over this announcement, I scrolled through Armstrong's multiple diatribes to see his precise meaning of the term "anti-Catholic." His exact formula appears to boil down to: "One who denies that the Catholic Church and its theology is properly classifiable as Christian" [source].

By applying Armstrong's standard, an Anti-Mormon would be one who denies that the Mormon church and its theology is properly classifiable as Christian. Dave would probably say it's a good thing to be anti-Mormon. So, simply using the term "anti" as Armstrong suggests is either good or bad depending on one's presuppositions. According to Dave's definition, I would say it's a good thing to be anti-Catholic in the same way Dave would probably hold it's a good thing to be anti-Mormon.

Armstong's seemingly endless qualifications and examination of the term "anti-Catholic," as well as "his own definition" provoked me to apply what has been discussed above, and consider an alternate theological definition. If "Catholic" is connected symbiotically with the Gospel, wouldn't an anti-Catholic be someone who either denies the Gospel or denies it as that which unites the people of God into the universal Church? If a particular church overtly espouses a different Gospel, according to Paul, let him be anathema. If understood this way, it would be Roman Catholics who are anti-Catholics. Their Council of Trent explicitly rejected the Gospel in an official declaration.

How does one precisely refer to those in communion with Rome and obedient to the Bishop of Rome? Contrary to Beckwith, I've seriously considered using the word "Romanist." The term describes those devoted to the papacy quite succinctly. However, I was informed by another zealous defender of the papacy that "...many non-Catholic apologists are truly bigots at heart and they use 'Roman' as a derogatory insult. Their bigotry becomes even more clear when they use Romish or Romanist." No one wants to be thought of as a bigot. However, in the same Catholic Answers broadcast cited above, Tim Staples and his co-host positively referred to themselves as "Romanists" introducing their "open forum for non-Catholics" show, in which they only take calls from those outside of their worldview. Here is the mp3 clip. Perhaps they were kidding, although it's hard to tell.

I'm tempted to simply start using the term anti-Catholic for the reasons outlined. I can think of no better theological phrase to describe those who inject obedience to the papacy into the term "Catholic Church."


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Theology
KEYWORDS: anticatholic; freformed; usancgldslvr
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To: SoothingDave

Where have I gone “looking for sins”, please enlighten me. Don’t I have enough of my own to deal with


441 posted on 02/24/2010 6:00:27 PM PST by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: SoothingDave

Well now, here’s a strawman introduced to muddy the waters. Let’s go back and answer my unanswered questions. I have yet to meet anyone in person or online, who thinks they can sin with impunity. Yet you repeat it as fact. Knife cuts both ways.


442 posted on 02/24/2010 6:04:05 PM PST by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: 1000 silverlings

OK, tell me where I erred in diagnosing Calvinism.

I didn’t say that Calvinisn taught that you could sin with impunity. But it does teach that our actions don’t matter.


443 posted on 02/24/2010 6:11:29 PM PST by SoothingDave
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To: Lil Flower
I am part of the “Roman” church in America and I promote none of those things. I don’t understand how some Christians can think it is

I recommend you review the recipients of the Pacem in Terris Award
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
444 posted on 02/24/2010 6:17:15 PM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: 1000 silverlings

Calvinism teaches that once one is “saved,” that is, indwelt by the Holy Spirit, that what one does does not matter. Nothing can be done that will lead to hell.

Is that wrong?


445 posted on 02/24/2010 6:18:32 PM PST by SoothingDave
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To: SoothingDave; 1000 silverlings; Dr. Eckleburg
The fatal error is in assuming that one knows that one is one of the chosen ones.

A fatal error?! It's a fatal error to know you've been adopted by God? It's no wonder why Romanists are so fearful. Romanists like to talk about the love of God but they don't really believe it!

The only way to know, Scripture tells us, is to follow the commandments. His commandments (love God and love one another).

That little statement there pretty much describes why Romanists completely miss the gospel. Romanists keep trying to satisfy God under the law when Scripture clearly tells us that in order to be justified under the Law you must keep it perfectly. The Gospel, OTOH, tells us if we rest and receive Christ we will be judged by Christ's perfect righteousness. Then we follow God's law out of gratitude.

Take a Sabbath rest, Dave. Christ did it all for you.

446 posted on 02/24/2010 6:19:22 PM PST by the_conscience (We ought to obey God, rather than men. (Acts 5:29b))
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To: UriÂ’el-2012

Maybe the awards given by the local Davenport chamber of commerace don’t really matter?

Are you prepared, in your bigoted world, to deal with that?


447 posted on 02/24/2010 6:20:06 PM PST by SoothingDave
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To: SoothingDave

So you’re saying that the holy spirit leads one into sin?


448 posted on 02/24/2010 6:21:13 PM PST by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: the_conscience

Do your best to live right.

Christ made it possible for you.

(The arrogance of believing that what we do in our life is irrelevant is amazing. )


449 posted on 02/24/2010 6:22:37 PM PST by SoothingDave
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To: 1000 silverlings

Do you think the Holy Spirit, once indwelt in the believer makes it impossible for the believer to sin?


450 posted on 02/24/2010 6:23:56 PM PST by SoothingDave
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To: 1000 silverlings

Have you ever really thought about Free Will? I know it’s a scary thought. But those with as much faith as you guys evidence, you should be able to cope.


451 posted on 02/24/2010 6:25:41 PM PST by SoothingDave
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To: UriÂ’el-2012

And I recommend you re read your own tagline and if you truly delight in Gods law, you will stop bearing false witness against others. I do NOT promote pedophillia or any of the other things you accused me of.


452 posted on 02/24/2010 6:26:24 PM PST by Lil Flower ("Without Love, deeds, even the most brilliant, count as nothing." St. Therese of Lisieux)
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To: the_conscience; editor-surveyor; wmfights; UriÂ’el-2012; Quix
It's no wonder why Romanists are so fearful. Romanists like to talk about the love of God but they don't really believe it

Now there it is. These people have a religion based on fear

they have a fear of not doing the right thing, not keeping the right commandments, not doing enough "work", not doing enough penance, not saying enough "Hail Mary's" never being good enough. They live under the law.

453 posted on 02/24/2010 6:26:59 PM PST by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: SoothingDave
Calvin taught a lot of things, many of which contradicted the logical conclusions of his systematic theology. For example, this is a passage of his that I admire, Arminian Baptist that I am:

4. This is the place to address those who, having nothing of Christ but the name and sign, would yet be called Christians. How dare they boast of this sacred name? None have intercourse with Christ but those who have acquired the true knowledge of him from the Gospel. The Apostle denies that any man truly has learned Christ who has not learned to put off “the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts, and put on Christ,” (Eph. iv. 22.) They are convicted, therefore, of falsely and unjustly pretending a knowledge of Christ, whatever be the volubility and eloquence with which they can talk of the Gospel. Doctrine is not an affair of the tongue, but of the life; is not apprehended by the intellect and memory merely, like other branches of learning; but is received only when it possesses the whole soul, and finds its seat and habitation in the inmost recesses of the heart. Let them, therefore, either cease to insult God, by boasting that they are what they are not, or let them show themselves not unworthy disciples of their divine Master. To doctrine in which our religion is contained we have given the first place, since by it our salvation commences; but it must be transfused into the breast, and pass into the conduct, and so transform us into itself, as not to prove unfruitful. If philosophers are justly offended, and banish from their company with disgrace those who, while professing an art which ought to be the mistress of their conduct, convert it into mere loquacious sophistry, with how much better reason shall we detest those flimsy sophists who are contented to let the Gospel play upon their lips, when, from its efficacy, it ought to penetrate the inmost affections of the heart, fix its seat in the soul, and pervade the whole man a hundred times more than the frigid discourses of philosophers?

5. I insist not that the life of the Christian shall breathe nothing but the perfect Gospel, though this is to be desired, and ought to be attempted. I insist not so strictly on evangelical perfection, as to refuse to acknowledge as a Christian any man who has not attained it. In this way all would be excluded from the Church, since there is no man who is not far removed from this perfection, while many, who have made but little progress, would be undeservedly rejected. What then? Let us set this before our eye as the end at which we ought constantly to aim. Let it be regarded as the goal towards which we are to run. For you cannot divide the matter with God, undertaking part of what his word enjoins, and omitting part at pleasure. For, in the first place, God uniformly recommends integrity as the principal part of his worship, meaning by integrity real singleness of mind, devoid of gloss and fiction, and to this is opposed a double mind; as if it had been said, that the spiritual commencement of a good life is when the internal affections are sincerely devoted to God, in the cultivation of holiness and justice. But seeing that, in this earthly prison of the body, no man is supplied with strength sufficient to hasten in his course with due alacrity, while the greater number are so oppressed with weakness, that hesitating, and halting, and even crawling on the ground, they make little progress, let every one of us go as far as his humble ability enables him, and prosecute the journey once begun. No one will travel so badly as not daily to make some degree of progress. This, therefore, let us never cease to do, that we may daily advance in the way of the Lord; and let us not despair because of the slender measure of success. How little soever the success may correspond with our wish, our labour is not lost when to-day is better than yesterday, provided with true singleness of mind we keep our aim, and aspire to the goal, not speaking flattering things to ourselves, nor indulging our vices, but making it our constant endeavour to become better, until we attain to goodness itself. If during the whole course of our life we seek and follow, we shall at length attain it, when relieved from the infirmity of flesh we are admitted to full fellowship with God.

http://www.ccel.org/ccel/calvin/chr_life.iii.html

454 posted on 02/24/2010 6:27:56 PM PST by Mr Rogers (I loathe the ground he slithers on!)
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To: SoothingDave

It makes the believer capable of not sinning, for “Greater is He who is in you, than he who is in the world”


455 posted on 02/24/2010 6:28:28 PM PST by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: SoothingDave

What has that to do with anything?


456 posted on 02/24/2010 6:29:24 PM PST by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: 1000 silverlings

Do you not sin?

I sin.


457 posted on 02/24/2010 6:30:23 PM PST by SoothingDave
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To: SoothingDave

Of course we do, but we don’t have to.


458 posted on 02/24/2010 6:30:57 PM PST by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: 1000 silverlings

I guess you don’t understand that Free Will versus Determinism is a basic dividing point of the western world.

Not that that has to do with anything.


459 posted on 02/24/2010 6:32:29 PM PST by SoothingDave
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To: Lil Flower
And I recommend you re read your own tagline and if you truly delight in Gods law, you will stop bearing false witness against others. I do NOT promote pedophillia or any of the other things you accused me of.

It is sad that assume the guilt of the public RCC sinners.

I don't know you; I don't know your relationship with YHvH.

I do know the public sin of Prejean, Alinsky, Tutu, Wallis, Day & Berrigan.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
460 posted on 02/24/2010 6:33:31 PM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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