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To: marshmallow
As if the liturgy is a) ours to tinker and monkey with in any way we please...

The modernists of Vatican II and those that followed them have monkeyed and tinkered with the liturgy to the point that it is incomprehensible as liturgy worthy of worship of Jesus Christ.

It is very close to what passes for liturgy in the Methodist Church!

What passes for a Catholic Church today looks more like a vast, vacant airplane hangar.

Today's so-called leaders and recent Popes have much explaining to do to their maker at the time of judgment!

5 posted on 03/03/2010 7:01:55 AM PST by IbJensen (A Prayer for Obama (Ps 109.8): "Let his days be few; and let another take his position.")
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To: IbJensen

I do not think that many priests are saved, but that those who perish are more numerous. ( St. John Chrysostom)

They who are enlightened to walk in the way of perfection, and through lukewarmness wish to tread the ordinary paths, shall be abandoned. (Bl. Angela of Foligno)

They who are to be saved as Saints, and wish to be saved as imperfect souls, shall not be saved. (Pope St. Gregory the Great)

St. Teresa.... had she not risen from the state of lukewarmness in which she lived, she would in the end have lost the grace of God and been damned. ( St. Alphonsus Liguori)


10 posted on 03/03/2010 8:24:42 AM PST by Leoni
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To: IbJensen

I’ve observed that it seems to be extremely difficult

to stay focused intensely enough and

with proper focus enough ON GOD AND HIS PRIORITIES;

ON GOD FIRST LAST AND FOREMOST

SUFFICIENTLY

day in and day out

in ANY CHRISTIAN congregation or organization

for HIS ANOINTING TO ABIDE over an even moderate period of time—too often—even a short period of time.

Some months ago, God’s MANIFEST PRESENCE was showing up virtually every service in a big way with folks being healed and delivered rather routinely; lives being rescued from alcoholism and other dreadful stuff; relationships being healed etc.

And, certainly the leadership has had every heart motivation to facilitate such continuing whether the Pastor and Preaching were more or less sidelined by GOD’S MANIFEST PRESENCE, or not.

Yet, the rot of the routine has set in again. And Holy Spirit has pulled way back. There’s an inkling that maybe on Wed evening with a much smaller group, that our focus is again getting aligned aright sufficiently for HIM to Mainfest HIS OVERT DOINGS yet again. Has been so a couple of Wednesday evenings now. We shall see.

The Old Testament had many examples of Israel getting off on their focus and resulting distancing from God.

It’s evident in the New Testament, too but not always so starkly so.


11 posted on 03/03/2010 8:44:15 AM PST by Quix ( POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 TRAITORS http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: IbJensen
"What passes for a Catholic Church today looks more like a vast, vacant airplane hangar"

Heh. Describes my church perfectly.

St Bernards

28 posted on 03/05/2010 12:08:52 AM PST by sneakers
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