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Lets start back at the beginning with this one...

Edward Watson :The players on this forum have repeatedly lied and distorted our true beliefs

Nana: Post # 74 (Lovely list of things that mormons must have decided to believe now...)

EW: Post # 104 (Answering Nana’s list and giving each point a number)

So now Nana will put them together (using the numbers of EW for the lurkers and other interesting parties and will add a comment or two as needed...

And so we continue...
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8. Nana:

That Catholics and Protestants are not the whore of Babylon and its OK to join them ???

8. EW:

Mormons do NOT teach the Catholic Church is the “whore of Babylon.” We believe the distortions of the scriptures occured shortly after their creation. In the case of the New Testament, during the first and early second century. In the case of the Old Testament; much earlier as evidenced by the conflicting versions of biblical vorlages (e.g., Samaritan Pentatech, DSS Jeremiah, LXX, etc.).

Nan’s additional Comments...

Joey Smith taught that the Catholic Church was the Whore of Babylon and all good mormons must sustain Joey Smith as a prophet who told the truth always and in all things or they dont get a temple recommend...

9. Nana:

That males do not need to practice polygamy to go to the mormon after life and there is no marriage or sex in the mormon after life ???

9. EW:

Well, since polygamy is the natural condition of humanity and only recently has fallen out of favor due to the triumph of monogamy since the 17th century; I find the entire issue quite silly. God explicitly approves of polygamy no less than six times in the Bible.

Polygamy is not a natural condition of humanity...its deviant and a perversion like homosexuality...God didnt invent it and God has something important to say about it...Thou shall not commit adultery Exodus 20:14 Galations 5:19

As for the 17th Century, Joey Smith was highly in favor of it in the 19th Century..

No I dont understand the sex obsession of Joey Smith...

And of course God never did favor polygamy in any century...

10. Nana:

That dead dunking just gets silly mormons wet but doesnt save anyone ???

10. EW:

Jesus said we must be born of water and of the spirit. Otherwise we cannot enter into God’s kingdom. We believe him thus believe in the practice of baptism.

Nan’s addition comments

Jesus never ssid to dead dunk anyone..He said to baptise and He meant a willing participate..and He meant while they were alive...Once you are dead its to late

11. Nana:

That mormon temples are just ugly buildings that millions of dollars were wasted on and are not necessary to get anyone to God ???

11. EW:

Your opinion and irrelevant.

Nana’s additional comments...

I dont know about that...Monson doesnt think that the temples are irrelevant...he seems to think that the temples are necessary to get the mormons to God...”they point to god” etc...And if they are so “irrelevant” why are millions of tithe money and human teeth spent to build them ??? The millions of dollars spent on those useless ugly buildings is quite real and could have been spent to feed and cloth the poor...How about just selling those “irrelevant” useless buildings and doing just that ??? As for anyones opinion, only God’s counts and He said not to build Him anything ...He doesnt dwell in houses...

Did you know that the Methodists had brush arbor Holy Ghost meetings in North East Tennessee 200 years ago and many were saved...Yes no buildings.. outside under the sky ... just God invited into the meetings...

12. Nana:

That we were never in heaven before we were born and after death with be our first visit ???

12. EW:

Belief in the pre-existence is the ONLY was to resolve one of the greatest problems facing Christian philosophy today: how to solve the problem of undeserved suffering if God is all-good, all-knowing, and all-powerful. If you believe that you were an adult spirit offspring of God who was given a choice to experience undeserved suffering in exchange for a greater good; God then maintains his omnibenevolent and omnipotent natures.

Nana’s additional comments...

Christians have never needed a “Belief in the pre-existence” to solve anything... We started our existance in our mothers wombs...we were not anywhere before that...

Sperm met egg.....Hullo.. and there you were...

13. Nana:

That the occultist Joey Smith was not visited by God and Jesus ??? (Be careful on this one. Brigham Young denied it happened. He said it was only an angel)

13. EW:

I believe it. I can’t prove it but neither can you disprove it since we both weren’t there.

Nan’s additional comment...

True we werent there. But I can read what Joey Smith had to say about the so called “first vision” and he claims it happened. And Brigham Young said it didnt. Are you saying that because you were not there you dont know if Joey Smith is telling the truth ??? That it may not have happened ??? But you choice to believe it anyway ??? What if it was proven that it didnt happen ??? Brigham Young doubted it..

Dont you have to believe the “first vision” happened without any room for doubt in order to get a temple recommend...

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

are temple recommends “irrelevant” now ???

14. Nana:

That mormonism is not Christianity ???

14. It is hard to claim with a straight face that a religion that teaches Jesus Christ is God, the Son of God, who was born of the virgin Mary, who died on the cross for our sins, who was resurrected after three days and is the only way to heaven could be anything but a Christian faith.

Nan’s additional comments...

I bet its hard to keep a straight face when you are trying to defend a religion that claims you have to practice polygamy, have more than one “wife” in order to become a god and have your own planet and own harem of sex slaves...

A religion that claims the VIRGIN Mary had sex with God in order to get pregnant with Jesus. In this one you call her the Virgin Mary, but back in #6 you said “We believe God the Father is the literal father of the physical body of Jesus.” That “literal” means sex, Edward. Your own mormon leaders have said for 180 years that Jesus was concieved the same way we were concieved. That’s no Christianity...

There’s your follow up answers, Edward...

Mormonism is not Christianity...

Yes under the 1st Amendment of the Constitution of the united states, you have the right to practice your religion...

Mormons have the right just like Wiccans, Hindus, Buddists, Moslems, Jews, and Christians...

But none of those other religions are attempting to hijack Chrsitianity and twist it into something that Jesus would not recognize...and claim their unChristian and unBiblical beliefs are true Christianity...

If you want to be a mormon fine...be a mormon...

I dont agree with your beliefs but I have my own and I’m going to continue to tell you you are wrong...

I am a Christian and I believe that God loves me and that Jesus is God, the Word, the Second person of the trinity, and that Jesus shed His Blood on the Cross and died on the Cross to save me and I believe the Christian Bible is the only word of God..

Mormonism is not Christianity..

Your Joey Smith said that...