Not remotely logical by a trillion miles.
Not remotely Biblical by a trillion miles.
Not remotely accurate historically by a trillion miles.
Posted on 04/19/2010 11:45:07 AM PDT by TaraP
(Interesting Perspective)
Many students of bible prophecy have missed the signing of the 7 year peace treaty in Israel simply because they have not taken God's word literally. Before I go on let me quote the 2 main verses that reveal this event in prophecy.
Daniel 9:26, 'And after sixty-two weeks Messiah shall be cut off, but not for himself: And the people of the prince who is to come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end shall be with a flood, and until the end of the war desolations are determined.
Daniel 9:27, 'Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week: but in the midst of the week he shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering. and on the wing of abomination shall be one who makes it desolate, even until the consummation, which is determined is poured out on the desolate.
For those who are fairly new to bible prophecy I will be giving a little bit of boring information that is commonly accepted as truth during this presentation.
The word week here can easily be proved to mean weeks of years. One way to prove this is to go back to Genesis where Laban gives his daughters to Isaac for a week and it is revealed that he fulfills his 7 years. As well, the first 7 and 62 weeks where fulfilled exactly to the day when the Messiah was cut off and died when using the one day equals a year formula or the weeks of years rather than week. So then 7 and 62 weeks of years is equal to 483 years.
The 70 weeks in Daniel 9: 24 equals 490 years. The remaining 7 years that is the difference has never been fulfilled.
Note that it is not uncommon for scriptures to have undetermined allotments of time dividing one event from another. This is the case in this 490 years. Though the first 483 were fulfilled to the exact day when Jesus the Christ was crucified, the last 7 years has never in history been fulfilled to the letter until recently.
Now to understand who will make this covenant we must unravel Daniel 9:26. Here we are told that the prince of the people who destroyed the city will make the covenant.
In 70 A.D. Titus was given orders from Rome to take Israel into captivity and to destroy the city of Jerusalem. Judging from this then it was the Roman Empire that destroyed the city. So then the prince who will make the covenant is to be a prince of Rome.
Well many would say that the Roman Empire does not exist today, however , that is not entirely true. The Western Roman Empire fell to Germanic hordes in about 400 A.D. but the Eastern Empire remained in Constantinople until the 1400s. The main religion in Rome became Christianity by order of Emperor Constantine around 200 A.D.
At some point it was declared the Holy Roman Empire and popes were given rule over Rome. Though it is true that the Roman Empire did not exist after the 1400s, the Holy Roman Catholic Monarchy existed to this day. Now in our time we have the European Union whose 10 full member states all rule under the Holy Roman Catholic Monarchy, hence the Empire still exists to this day.
If you will do a study of the kingdoms that were to rule according to dreams and visions throughout Daniel you will learn that Rome was to be the final kingdom before the end of this age.
In Daniel 2 the statue with the head of gold was to be followed by the kingdom of silver and then bronze, then iron and then iron and clay. We know from Daniel 8 that the Gold represented Nebuchadnezzar, the silver was the Medes and the Persians, the bronze was the Greeks and history proves that the final kingdom was the Roman Empire.
Though there are 27 nations that belong to the European Union, there are only 10 that are full members with veto rites. The other 17 nations are lesser states. So then the prince that must confirm the covenant must come out of the EU.
Now the word 'prince' in Daniel 9:26 can be translated prince, commander, chief or any other title that could be considered an authority. This prince is to make a covenant with many nations so we see that he has something to do with foreign affairs.
The word covenant can be translated covenant or agreement. However, it does not mean 'peace treaty' as so many teach. This teaching stems from the idea that because first Thessalonians 5:4 says, 'And when they cry peace and safety, sudden destruction comes upon them'. If you study the context of Thessalonians you will find that it pertains to the time of the rapture at the end of the 7 years and has nothing to do with the topic at hand. No, in order top recognize the 7 year covenant you must realize that it is not necessarily a peace treaty.
Joveir Solana, whose office was Secretary General of the Western European Union, made separate agreements with many Middle Eastern countries over several years prior to 2007. These agreements would give each country the right to receive loans from the EU for the purpose of bringing stability in many areas of their governments. These loans would require substantial financial commitments from EU full member states and therefore had to be fixed into the EU upcoming budget. The term of the EU budget is 7 years and was due for renewal on Jan. 01/2007.
On this date Jovier Solana made a quick trip to the required office and gave his signature 'confirming' the agreements that he had set up prior to this date and therefore fulfilled all of the requirements that are called for in Daniel 9:26,27.
Now according to Daniel 9:27 he is to bring an end to the daily sacrifice in Jerusalem. Many have argued that there has to be a temple built in Jerusalem before he can do this. I believe you will find that this is not true if you pay close attention to the scriptures surrounding this issue. We know from second Thessalonians 2 that the wicked sits in the temple as god, however this event does not take place until the end of the 7 year covenant. Therefore it does not require a temple in the midst of the 7 years. Some say that he sits in the temple in the midst of the seven, but scripture says they set up an abomination and this is better translated an idol and cannot be translated as a person.
All that is required in the temple grounds for Daniel 9:27 is a place to do sacrifice. Israel has this now. They have just finished building an alter of sacrifice recently that fits requirements laid down in old testament law. As we speak Israel is calling on Jews world wide to send money to purchase lambs for sacrifices they are planning this June. Sometime in mid June is the middle of the 7 year covenant. They exact date is unknown because scripture tells us that the sacrifice will be stopped 'around' the middle of the 7 years.
From Daniel 11:21-31 we know that the king of Syria is responsible for the command to take away the daily sacrifice. According to history the king of the North in this scripture is this king of Syria. We are told in the verses mentioned that he will move against the king of the south, which history and the scriptures tell us is Egypt. Scripture tells us that he is stopped by ships from Kittim, which today is Cyprus.
He will be angry at the covenant, probably because if the covenant was not in place these ships would not be there. We are told that he has intelligence against those that transgress the covenant. This is very likely the fact that they are doing sacrifices of thousands of lambs which I am sure is contrary to UN laws governing the handling of sheep. The EU is tied to the laws of agriculture put forward by the UN. Daniel 11:31 then tells us that 'arms rise up on his part and take away the daily sacrifice and set there the abomination that causes desolation.
Notice that arms rise up on his part. In other words he squeals but someone else does the dirty work. In Daniel 8:11 we find that it is the Little Horn that actually takes away the daily sacrifice and sets up the abomination that causes desolation.
More about him in a minute.
Recently Syria has been trying to mend fences with Egypt, however, more recently they have had a parting of ways. We can only watch and see how this drama unfolds. But know this, that we are approaching the midst of the 7 years. Everything is in place for prophetic scriptures to unfold as we speak.
Now concerning the Little Horn there is much debate on who this could be but if we look at scripture we can narrow it down quite a bit and I believe his identity is obvious once you have the right information. First of all Daniel 8 :8,9 points you at the geographic region that he must come from.
The male goat here is said to come from Greece in verse 21. It followed the Medes and the Persians in verse 20. History tells us that this goat was Alexander the Great and that 8:9 is speaking of the 4 generals that divided his kingdom. So from here we can see that the Little Horn is not the president of the USA or an up and coming king of England etc... He is coming out of the Middle East. There are a couple of clues here that could not have been recognized many years ago but are now definite give aways.
Now understand that the main countries today that should be watched, considering the 4 generals territories, are Greece, Turkey, Syria, Assyria, Iran, Palestine and Egypt.
First the Little Horn waxes great toward the east, south and the pleasant land. In recent months Turkey has been calling on Muslim nations to form what I will call a union. If he succeeds it could be said that he has waxed great toward Iran, Egypt and Syria and Palestine.
Second he rises up among the 10 horns of the EU. For several years Turkey has been trying very hard to be accepted as a full member of the EU and if he does will be the first Muslim member. He will also have risen up among them as 'another Little Horn'. It should also be noted that he is the only country in the territories of the 4 generals who is even trying. 9 out of 10 of the existing members support his membership.
Now once he joins he must devour three of the former horns. This has been taught to mean that he forces himself on three members but what if he rather is supported by three members and is handed their support through intrigue and a silver tongue?
Watch and pray that you might be found worthy of that day.
I totally understand..
:)
There’s sure some sobering congruencies in all that. Impressive.
Thanks.
Mark
Good points, imho.
Thx.
Not remotely logical by a trillion miles.
Not remotely Biblical by a trillion miles.
Not remotely accurate historically by a trillion miles.
Depends on what one means by ‘many’ and “Christians.”
Lots of folks who go by the name are fairly clueless.
Even a lot of authentic Christians seem to be pretty clueless about prophetic things.
However, I believe those intune and awake will know the basic outline of what’s going on in the spirit realm and otherwise.
Just some Spiritual Food for thought based on that Scripture 2010 to 2017 would be 7 years taking us to 2017
70 years of Israel’s exsistence by the Hebrew Calendar?
Time will tell but in the meantime, help me out. I certainly wouldn't want to be wrong on such an important topic.
I agree Quix, however many people on these Prophetic Threads seem to think it’s New Age Fortune Telling....
Can be frustrating sometimes....
We do see through a glass darkly.
Yet we are challenged of The Lord to study, watch, prepare, be ready.
Throughout this thread.
My point is that the linked article stresses the need for a literal interpretation of scripture to understand that Dan 9:26 has been fulfilled. The author then proceeded to explain in detail why without once addressing Jerusalem experiencing a flood as described in the verse (Dan 9:26).
The thread creator (TaraP) then interpreted flood to mean an illuminating light event. When pressed on the subject, the thread creator then interpreted flood as meaning a "flood of knowledge".
Such interpretations may be ok but they are not what one would call literal interpretations and the author stated a literal interpretation was required.
The fatal flaw in this illuminating/knowledge literal interpretation of the word flood is that Zech 14:4-8 says there will be no light and that waters will flow from the mount of Olives to the east and west.
Therefore, in order to not have Dan 9:26 not contradict Zech 14:4-8, a literal interpretation of the word flood in Dan 9:26 should mean a water event and Dan 9:26 can not have been fulfilled as the author claims.
Not remotely logical by a trillion miles.
Not remotely Biblical by a trillion miles.
Not remotely accurate historically by a trillion miles.
Thanks, Quix; I'm aware of your assertions. I'm just amazed you stayed away from the caps lock key.
Sure thing! :-)
Since the King is now ruling, we can face the future with confidence, joy, and faith that relies upon and rejoices in, the goodness and power of God, no matter what kinds of temporary setbacks arise.
It's strange, but for the last 1000+ years, the fortune tellers, who attempted to use God's Word as a tool of divination, always read it in such as way as to place themselves at the apex of history. After all, how would God dare do anything as important as the Second Coming, while leaving someone as crucial as ME out of His plans? You can see why this perspective hath its appeals to some element of our fallen humanity! Yet all of these prognosticators have had one thing in common -- they've been wrong, and eventually died.
LOL!
All these predictions and they don’t even have their fake temple built yet, so how can Antichrist stand in it?
(Iran is probably anxious for the temple to get built so they can bomb it)
Israel the nation, will be seventy in 2018. Moses in Psalm 90 describes the length of one's life as seventy years.
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
Good night. Pleasant dreams to one and all.
I agree.....this will not float.
Anyone read the news?
Watch TV?
Um....its just not there.
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