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To: metmom; johngrace; Quix; stfassisi; Judith Anne; markomalley
Catholics believe Scripture to be the inspired Word of God, written by the Holy Spirit through the hands of men. They are obviously a Biblical religion but they also believe the Church was entrusted to Peter, "You are Peter and upon this rock I will build my church and the gates of hell will not prevail against it" (Matt 16: 13-19), and Biblical interpretation was entrusted to the Pope also. You no doubt believe parts of Luther's "Solo Scriptura, Faith Alone" theology and parts of Calvin's extreme predestination (which contradict each other) philosophy, but probably not all of it. Even Lutherans and "Reformed" don't buy much of it anymore. In effect, you are your own pope, sharing some beliefs with other Protestants (and unwittingly even with Catholics!) but not all. Like a holocaust denier, you deny the "holiness" of Catholic saints—who gave not money but their lives, "There is no greater love than this ..." (John 15:13) to others for Christ, "Whatsoever you did to the least of my brothers, that you did for me" (Matt 25: 31-46).

To deny Catholicism is to deny Scripture, deny history, deny Christ; and in doing so make the Bible into a book that ultimately only you can interpret INFALLIBLY…
1,969 posted on 05/05/2010 7:33:37 AM PDT by fightingirishthomas (O, Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee ...)
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To: fightingirishthomas

Love your tag line!


1,972 posted on 05/05/2010 7:45:08 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Quia quem meruisti* portare, Alleluia // Resurrexit* sicut dixit. Alleluia)
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To: fightingirishthomas
They are obviously a Biblical religion but they also believe the Church was entrusted to Peter, "You are Peter and upon this rock I will build my church and the gates of hell will not prevail against it" (Matt 16: 13-19), and Biblical interpretation was entrusted to the Pope also.

There is no precedent for the papacy and no instructions office anywhere in the NT. The first popes did not show up until after 300 AD, way too long after to even justify saying that the office was handed down from Peter. Where'd those 300 some years ago? Just vanish into the abyss?

In effect, you are your own pope, sharing some beliefs with other Protestants (and unwittingly even with Catholics!) but not all.

You are assuming a lot about what I think and believe. I do not unwittingly share beliefs with Catholics. I'm well aware that there are many areas where Protestantism and Catholicism agree, so that assertion is false.

Like a holocaust denier, you deny the "holiness" of Catholic saints—who gave not money but their lives, "There is no greater love than this ..." (John 15:13) to others for Christ, "Whatsoever you did to the least of my brothers, that you did for me" (Matt 25: 31-46).

I don't care what denomination some one is and how much they gave and what they gave. The saints are believers in Christ no matter where they are and what church they choose to affiliate themselves with. All churches have believers and unbelievers in them and Catholics have no corner on the spirituality and holiness market.

To deny Catholicism is to deny Scripture, deny history, deny Christ; and in doing so make the Bible into a book that ultimately only you can interpret INFALLIBLY…

Hardly. To deny Catholicism is to deny the papacy, prayer to Mary, salvation based on works, all of which is unbiblical. And the history of the Catholic Church is nothing to brag about. Why any Catholic wants to go there is beyond me. I don't need the writings of Luther or Calvin to be able to read and understand Scripture. It's written plain enough. And I never claimed that anyone can interpret the Bible infallibly. Another unfounded assumption.

Do a word study in the Greek on rock. Jesus is using a play on words. Petra means a large rock. Petros means a piece of large rock. It's also not grammatically correct to use the term *this* to mean a person. If Christ had really intended that Peter be the rock on which Christ's church be built then He would have said "On you I will build my church" but He didn't.

Peter's own writings never refer to that incident. Peter said that the church, which is Christ's church not Peter's church, was build on Christ.

I Peter 2:4-7 4As you come to him, the living Stone—rejected by men but chosen by God and precious to him— 5you also, like living stones, are being built into a spiritual house to be a holy priesthood, offering spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. 6For in Scripture it says: "See, I lay a stone in Zion, a chosen and precious cornerstone, and the one who trusts in him will never be put to shame."

1,975 posted on 05/05/2010 8:06:44 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: fightingirishthomas
In effect, you are your own pope

You Catholics just don't get it...There is no pope...There is no human vicar of Christ...

Joh 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

The Vicar of Christ that Jesus sent is the Holy Spirit...

The Apostle Peter faded into obscurity as the church began to blossom under the teaching of the Apostle Paul...

Had there ever been an actual pope, it would have been Paul...But Paul rightly considered himself a servant of the churches, not the leader...The only leader is Jesus Christ...

Yours is a false Christianity...An anti-Christianity, made by fallible men...

1,976 posted on 05/05/2010 8:09:57 AM PDT by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: fightingirishthomas

UNMITIGATED BALDERDASH.

Sheesh what groundless nonsense.


1,982 posted on 05/05/2010 8:19:54 AM PDT by Quix (BLOKES who got us where we R: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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