Posted on 05/15/2010 7:50:29 AM PDT by markomalley
It is notable that white evangelicals went for McCain 68% to 23% ... while white (non-hispanic) Catholics went for Obama 47% to 45% (according to a Pew poll on Nov. 3 2008).
Black Protestants and Hispanic Catholics likely change those numbers somewhat ... but, when even white Catholics are voted Obama, while white Protestants voted McCain (by a 3-to-1 margin), your position that Protestant Christianity is hurting the conservative cause clearly becomes ridiculous. Protestants are the only thing holding the conservative cause together.
How, exactly, do those statistics indiciate that Protestant Christianity is anti-conservative while Catholic Christianity is anti-liberal. It seems to me to indicate the opposite.
SnakeDoc
You have a very good point. And, considering those Catholics who espouse liberal political philosophy are the same ones who espouse innovation (i.e., liberalism) in doctrine, I am more-or-less inclined to agree with you as far as this statement goes.
Practicing Protestants are far more likely to be conservative than are practicing Catholics.
Depends upon what you call "practicing Protestants." Do you mean, "practicing Episcopals," "practicing PCUSA Presbyterians," "practicing ELCA Lutherans," "practicing UMC Methodists?"
Or are you referring to a different subset? (Of course, this is strictly a rhetorical question)
The most Protestant countries in this world tend to be the freest and most prosperous countries in this world ... led by the United States.
Seems like this Protestant US is neck deep in debt and is about to go into a new dark age. Led by Protestant Presidents and Protestant/Cafeteria Catholic Congresses.
The Catholic Church has been persecuted rather heavily at times in the last century in Mexico.
Yuri Besmenov saw it coming. The destabilization is nearly complete. We are ripe for the next stage: Destabilization!
Yet,...Conservatives have no rational plan for RE-moralizing the nation.
If you are among those who do not know about Yuri Besmenov please do a Google search on the words: Yuri Besmenov and demoralization.
That the Protestant US is having trouble with liberals goes without saying. However, statistics seem to indiciate that Protestants are the ones yelling “stop!”, while Catholics are pushing us down the hill.
SnakeDoc
As others pointed out on this thread, a large fraction of Catholics are actually leftist liberals, like Pelosi, Biden and so on, and voted for Obama.
But this article was so egregious, I couldn't let all the vicious diatribe against other Christian religions stand.
As I said, Catholics need to clean their own house first, Lord knows it needs cleaning.
Acutally it’s Christ’s calling: Luke 6:42. A lesson we ALL must utilize everyday and I absolutely point the finger back at me on this as I am horrible at it...
“How can you say to your brother, ‘Brother, let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when you yourself fail to see the plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.”
“Seems like this Protestant US is neck deep in debt and is about to go into a new dark age.”
Unfortunately true — THANKS to Catholics who voted for Obama and the Democrats.
Correction.
You have no plan or have not signed on to one.
This happenstance has been discussed for decades and there are any number of plans.
Amen, fellow FReeper.
Further, for Western Civilization to survive Islam, we must rise to define and defend our solid unity as Christians.
The myth of "commonality of religions" is going to kick us in the ass sooner or later; it's inevitable. We want so badly to be tolerant and wise and all-seeing and pronounce all religions equal. Wrongo -- many religions are pretty horrible, some downright destructive, and OUR nation is a CHRISTIAN nation. Religions that can co-exist within the Judeo-Christian ethic get along just fine. If Islam -- a mortal enemy of Christianity for 1400 years, and bringers-on of the Crusades -- doesn't like it, they can piss off.
Refuse further post here. No constructive outcome. I knew before I made my first comment that any comment on this thread would give the same result.
Nothing but stir divisions amoung us. Waste of time and bandwidth.
BTW, just so you know, church-going Catholics were also slightly against Obama, as well. Those who attended Mass on a weekly basis were 50-49 McCain. And if they were able to craft a poll to quickly measure a person's orthodoxy to Catholic doctrine, I have no doubt that those who were orthodox in their beliefs would have polled vastly lower for the Bamster (in most parishes that I am familiar with, only about half those who are in attendance on a weekly basis actually support Catholic orthodoxy).
Just wanted to clear that part up.
Those of us who are actually orthodox in our beliefs have a real struggle on our hands (see this thread that I posted earlier)
Do me a big, huge favor then. Troll the RF every now and again and when you see a group of your colleagues bashing Catholics, remind them of the above statement. Just like how you've reproved me for posting this thread.
Uhhh...sorry to tell you this FRiend, but Catholics were not the only ones who put this islamist in office. Church-going (i.e., go to Mass once a week or more) Catholics actually leaned toward McCain.
In fact, there were anti-clerical revolutions in almost every single Latin American country during the late 19th and early 20th centuries. Just as there were in almost all Catholic European countries.
Your statistics fail to correct for race. There is simply nothing the Protestant church could teach that would’ve made african-americans vote against Obama. We could’ve proven he was the anti-Christ, and they’d have voted Obama upwards of 95%.
Your stats also lump “other Christians” in with Protestants. I’m not sure what “other Christian” is ... but it apparently is differentiated from Protestantism.
SnakeDoc
My question is — what is included in the Protestants/Other Christians?
I guess Jeremiah Wright is considered “Protestant of Other Christian”.
It caught my attention because it was such a ridiculously ironic query, and my thought was, "That's nerve!"
I don't browse by forum. I browse by thread title.
When I see another thread title that poses a ridiculously ironic statement about any other Christian religion, maybe I'll comment. But I don't surf the RF forum.
Even if I take your statstics ... 50-49 for McCain among churchgoing Catholics is hardly a landslide which shows Catholics standing athwart liberalism. A thin majority against the most liberal President in 30-years does not bode well for the argument of Catholicism saving conservatism.
If church-going Catholics were slightly against Obama (50%-49%), and white evengelical Protestants were (almost) 3-to-1 against Obama (68%-23%) ... what does that say about your initial premise that Protestantism is contrary to conservatism? It looks like evangelical Protestants saw Obama coming and said “NO!” and church-going Catholics saw him coming and said “eh, whatever”.
SnakeDoc
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