Posted on 06/07/2010 7:28:42 AM PDT by topcat54
lol. Arguing the end to the end. 8~)
Yep! bttt
THX WILL CHECK IT OUT.
THX THX.
On the other hand, with different fingers,
shiny broken links are so entertaining to the rabid clique sorts . . .
evidently.
worthy points, imho.
THX.
What about the Thessalonians that thought they had missed the Rapture. They predate Augustinian Replacement Theology by about 300 yrs.
What about Chiliasm that predates the idea that a state church will pave the way for Jesus Christ to return.
From what I can tell dispensationalism is consistent with these earlier premillenial views.
ABSOLUTELY, INDEED.
THX.
I still think your eschatology is incredibly out of whack with Scripture, history and reality.
That’s okay. We’ll know the truth one day when we meet up in heaven. 8~)
On the other hand, with different fingers, shiny broken links are so entertaining to the rabbit clik sorts . . . evidently.
It's a school night. Catch up on your sleep and try again tomorrow.
True. True.
Let me reciprocate by pointing you to a very detailed study of the OT prophecies concerning the millenium. It can be found here
http://www.pre-trib.org/articles/view/premillennialism-in-old-testament
What I especially liked about the study was the end part that highlights what the nations of today will look like in the Millenium. For example ... will there be an Egypt? Iraq?, Iran?, Saudi Arabia? ... How will they make peace with Israel (if). I had never seen anyone document that in one place before.
But the chart merely highlights the end result of our two interpretive schemes. The heart of the matter is the interpretation of the OT text.
Where we disagree is in the theological methodology used for the formation of a Biblical Theology of the Old Testament. The dispensationalist forms a Biblical theology of the OT based on the historical-grammatical interpretation of the OT text. The non-dispensationalist would form a Biblical theology of the OT based on the New Testament understanding of the OT text what we would call "reading the NT back into the OT." This is the heart of the matter, we see a distinction between Israel and the church because a Biblical theology of the OT demands it.
Dr Stallard has provided a pretty good article on this topic.
http://www.pre-trib.org/articles/view/literal-hermeneutics-theological-method-and-essence-of-dispensationalism
enjoy ...
One possibility of a “rapture” that Paul was talking about, might be seen in Elijah’s ascent into heaven on God’s chariot. Christ’s ascent was likely similar, altho we don’t have a detailed account, even with the apostles watching. An intriguing aspect of Elijah’s is first he tells Elisha that he has been summoned to Bethel, literally, the “house of God.” Then later, he crosses the Jordan river after first making it “dry land”. In some respects, this is every believer’s experience, so individually, as well as collectively, like the Israelites’ crossing of the Jordan into the promised land, we will all experience it
You strike me as someone who might actually read something. Could I suggest ...I will take that as a compliment and I will put it on the long list of books I'm working my way through. :)
I suspect that there is, somewhere, a dispensational Index Prohibitorum, with books and authors dispensationalists simply won't look at. Many august and saintly authors, ancient and modern, are on it. From Athanaseus and Augustine to Warfield, "scripture twisters!" all.
The Gentiles have received The Gospel. It doesn't coincide that Satan is bound and in prison.
There is a difference between the nation of Israel and spiritual Israel. All men everywhere today are called to kneel to Christ alone.
I've never heard any Christian claim otherwise. However, I think you are reaching with the spiritual Israel. If God is done with the Jews and given all the benefits to Christians why has God partially blinded them?
Let me ask, prior to the crucifixion how were people saved and was that salvation limited to any one group?
Great point.
The example that God will take us up is there. The question is when. I think it will be prior to the pre-trib, others do make a good argument it will be mid-trib. The weakest argument is it will be just as Jesus Christ is descending to set up the Kingdom of God.
I suspect someones prejudice is showing.
Scripture is so much clearer when reading it with the understanding that God is not done with Israel and the Tribulation is the means that God uses to open Israel's eyes to who Jesus is. The Amil view is similar to the view held by Israel prior to the Cross with the exception that Christians have replaced the Jews. If this is true why has God blinded Israel in part? Why be bothered with the Jews at all?
Again, this “replacement” is not true and it isn’t claimed. One Israel, from the church in the wilderness (Acts 7) to Pentecost to today. Spiritual Israel is ever the only Israel saved.
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