Posted on 07/18/2010 6:04:05 AM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
I've heard this bogus accusation that catholics don'[t get exposed to the entire bible with an adequate refresh cycle and reject it. There are 32,400 versus in the bible (OT + NT). To accomplish the entire bible in one year one would have to read 89 versus per day, everyday for a year. If left to Sunday's only the number raises to 623 versus per Sunday. If even a single minute were allotted to reading and discussing each verse it would take over 10 hours. Does you congregation really get completely through the bible in a single year?
The back and forth on this thread seems to be I am of Catholic or I am of Protestant...it seems like the same thing that Paul is dealing with in this letter...when we should be about I am of Jesus (because He is the big thing).
Later in 1 Corinthians 12 Paul appears to still be trying to get this message through to the church in Corinth that we are all of one body and that the different parts of the body cannot exclude the other parts from the body.
Are all of God's people going to agree on every issue while on this earth...no. Is everybody sitting in church on Sunday a follower of Jesus...I doubt it (I will leave that to God)...and that would be true for Catholic, Baptist, Alliance, Reformed, etc. But I do believe that there are most likely some believers in each of the churches. Jesus came to save those that where (are) lost...which means we are not perfect so none of us can claim perfect understanding yet...”For now we see through a glass, darkly” (also in 1 Corinthians)
So again, thank you for pointing to Jesus as the “big thing”...that really should be our focus.
Thank you and God bless
It's not a matter of debate, it's basic math. Try clicking the link I provided. If you disagree with the results, show the math that demonstrates how Catholics get the entire Bible during the reading cycle.
There are 32,400 versus in the bible (OT + NT). To accomplish the entire bible in one year one would have to read 89 versus per day, everyday for a year.
Are you saying that's an impossible feat? One Year Bible Online
Does you congregation really get completely through the bible in a single year?
I've been noticing something odd in your posts, and it's finally time to ask about it openly. Is there a reason that you aren't capitalizing the word "Bible" when you make your posts?
No, and I am not saying that it is a necessary task either. The Catholic Mass in not our primary instrument of adult education and study, it is a worship ceremony.
As for the capitalization thing I have a sticky shift key on the lap top I am using.
A legitimate point. And that's why I asked about what Dr. Kopp does to make up for verses not covered in the Mass, which you took issue with when you contended that Catholics are exposed to the entire Bible in the daily Mass readings. Do you also faithfully attend Mass daily, Natural Law?
As for the capitalization thing I have a sticky shift key on the lap top I am using.
Making it doubly odd that your "shift key" appears to work perfectly every time a word in your posts needs to be capitalized. Every word except the word "Bible", that is.
A brief perusal of your posting history indicates a very peculiar problem with your sticky shift key. It only seems to stick when you ought to be capitalizing the letter *B* in the word “Bible”.
It appears to not give you any trouble when you capitalize the first word of a sentence, someone’s name, the personal pronoun *I*, other things like quotation marks, plus signs, question marks, arrows used in HTML, etc.
It’s so very odd that it should not work on only that one letter in that one word.
Unfortunately, I cannot. How many times per year to you partake of the Eucharist?
You are free to believe what ever you want about my shift key (of which I have two, one of which is sticky), it has no bearing on the truth.
Is this another one of your bogus Perry Mason moments?
Are you aware of what the word *personal* means?
I don’t recall that anyone is criticizing the Catholic church for not reading the entire Bible in one year during its masses.
I don’t recall that any non-Catholic ever claimed that their church read the entire Bible during their worship services on Sundays, either.
The concern isn’t that the entire Bible wasn’t read during worship services, but that the entire Bible wasn’t read by the adherents at all. I can’t recall ever personally meeting any Catholics who claim or admit to reading the Bible on their own as part of a Bible reading schedule.
And FYI, because I don’t doubt that someone will ask, I have never read the entire Bible all the way through in one year. I usually get pretty bogged down in Numbers and don’t recall ever finishing it. There are a couple other OT books that I’ve never read completely either.
ARE YOU
GASP
SUGGESTING
that SOME RC’S
have a LOW opinion of the Bible
compared to
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!TRADITION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
and their magicsterical’s pontifications????
WHAT
a SURPRISE!
/sar
I really don't care to hear your feigned concerns because I couldn't believe you if you posted that sewage stank and fire burned. I trust your recollections even less because I have seen how very, very flawed they are with the span of an hour.
lol. Many of the Protestants in these discussions were born and raised Roman Catholic. They know what the RCC teaches.
And by the grace of God they've learned it's better to trust God's word than the whims and wills of fallible men and their superstitious, ever-changing doctrines.
yet we are rebuked for taking some members of the Church to be our teachers.
No, Scripture rebukes you for believing those teachers are infallible and "another Christ."
For every Catholic who respects me for being a lay Dominican there are several who think I'm a kind of religious geek, am unbearably conservative, excessively pious, too bookish, not bookish enough, not sufficiently involved with sticking it to the man, etc.
How is it RC apologists manage to pat themselves on the back with every post?
The better question is how the anti-Catholics who claim to know better put their foot deeper into their mouths with every successive post.
I agree! Like I said, there had to be truth before there was a lie. My point was simply that the truth of the triune nature of God had already been revealed and was known and believed by Christians way before the council of Nicea was called. That the council WAS needed to put in writing what was supposed to be the revealed truth of God only cemented the doctrine and was obviously necessary because of the heretical teachings of those who either were ignorant of Scripture or flat out rejected what God had already revealed.
lol. Sing it, son.
Lots of us do know what the Catholic church really teaches (been there, done that) and we've backed it up from vatican.va. itself.
At the very least, there's a huge discrepancy between what the RCC really teaches and what FRoman Catholics think it really teaches, or what they think it should really teach, or what they wish it would teach, or what they were taught.
Perhaps it’s that rubbery business again . . . very stretchy arms congratulating themselves on being
GOD’S OWN EXCLUSIVE CLUB
regardless of how untrue it is.
GMTA
MD: “I don’t like what’s going on, not at all”
If this means what I think it does, I don’t like it , either. Thousands of posts and —”it’s down to you and down to me” (with apologies to Princess Bride).
I personally wish that some of the posts on this thread by my fellow Catholics had not been expressed in the manner that they have been. Having admitted that, I can fully understand the frustration that was the impetus for the posts.
I also don’t think it was cool, metmom, to make a comment about Dr. Brian’s references to his daily prayer life. Hats off to you, Dr. B, for having a plan that you are able and willing to pursue, and for being willing to share it. I, too, along with Mad Dawg and countless other lay Catholics throughout the world, pray the Liturgy of the Hours every day. There are enough of us who are committed to do this that there is always an on-going demand for the volumes of the Hours. People make time for what is important to them. It’s that simple. Alex, what matters is that praying the Hours steeps one in Sacred Scripture in a way that we are united with thousands around the world praying the same prayers in unison with each other every day. There isn’t a valid reason for anyone to ask “why not more?”, when it has been proposed that someone is doing meditative reading of Sacred Scripture.
Dr. E, I have no reason to doubt that you were at a Catholic wedding. You have made mention of it before. What I don’t understand is that you refer to it as “high Mass”. You must be as old as I am if it was a “high Mass”, as they have not been called that for a very long time now—and nobody is as old as I am :-), so I am not sure about the high Mass.
What I did find, in your post #3,513 that is not true is the following:
“Rome ignores the Epistles and the Old Testament because those book (sic) directly contradict Rome’s ideology.” This is absolutely not a true statement. Anyone who would take the time—just once—to read the Mass Readings of the day posted by Salvation will see that what you have written is not true.
It is also a major, broad-brush stretch for you to write in the same post: “most Roman Catholics spend their Sundays on their knees contemplating their own good works, ignorantly praying to dead people; venerating Mary as a ‘co-redeemer’ “
That’s not a truthful picture of the average, practicing Catholic.
And to just such a Catholic, it would be painful to read your further comment -—”and most egregiously of all, partaking in the blasphemy they call the eucharist.......served up again like yesterday’s pork roast” .....He sits making His enemies such as Rome his footstool”.
I live in a large metropolitan area and in this area there are quite a large number of parishes who have adoration chapels that are open 24 hours a day. One could go into any of these chapels at any hour of day or night and find people there who have come to place themselves in the company of the Lord to pray. In any of those chapels, were you to go into them at 11:30 at night, you very often would see almost a dozen people in “scrubs” who have just come off their night shift at the hospital and have stopped to pay a visit to the Lord before going home to sleep. You would see young couples come in and pray together on weekend nights, either before or after an evening together. Almost without exception the streams of people who come and go in a 24-hour period bring their Bibles with them.
Young mothers show up regularly at morning Masses in the 5 parishes in my suburban community. Students at the nearby colleges come in before classes. Often when I pay a visit to church in the afternoon, I see the same postal carrier, who is there every afternoon to pray on his 15-minute break.
You can ridicule Catholics all you want—all of you who are inclined to do so—but it doesn’t change the fact that hidden from your eyes there are Catholics to whom the heavenly Father, the Divine Savior Jesus and the Comforter, Holy Spirit mean everything to them and they live it as a 24-hour relationship.
One who is not a practicing Catholic simply cannot create their own single template of what it means to be Catholic and present it as a Truth. It is not. And it needs to be called out as NOT the truth, NOT the whole truth about Catholics.
There are surely some very good things that, hidden now, will be revealed—things that escape the notice of passersby.
Dr. E., you posted to me about month ago that I would “be back”. I did come back for this post, but am very happy now to take my place among the lurkers 99% of the time. I ventured out on this occasion partially because of some of the gracious FReepmails I received some time ago—one in particular which I will always remember.
I’m quite ready now to pull back to lurker status.
Meditative Scripture reading is
Hey, beer works for me! Stella Artois please. ;o)
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