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To: Legatus; caww
To recap, Catholics do not believe it is possible to "earn" Salvation. It is a free gift from God.

I think it is wonderful you believe that, because it is the Biblical truth of the Gospel. On the other hand, there are many Catholics on this forum who repeatedly quote James 2 to insist that we are saved by faith AND works. Can you understand why some non-Catholics here might get confused about what is actually believed in your religion?

565 posted on 07/19/2010 9:42:28 AM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to him.)
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To: boatbums
When you drive to New York, do you take a highway or do you take a car?

heh heh heh. Faith and works.

570 posted on 07/19/2010 10:02:56 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (O Maria, sine labe concepta, ora pro nobis qui ad te confugimus.)
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To: boatbums
Can you understand why some non-Catholics here might get confused about what is actually believed in your religion?

The confusion stems (I think and hope) from an almost total breakdown of a common language as we see in the fact that many Catholics can't express their Faith in terms a Protestant could even begin to understand.

For that matter there are an abundance of Catholics who couldn't express their Faith in terms even they can understand. Nevertheless I'm not about to judge what's in the heart based on whether someone can trigger exactly the words I want to hear.

Without putting too much credence into what I'm about to write, let me tentatively suggest the following: When Catholics (especially Catholics who have never talked to a Protestant about these things) are talking about salvation odds are pretty high that they're really talking about what someone from a Wesleyan tradition would understand as sanctification. I'm not an authority on these matters though so I may be way off base and at the very least there's a great danger of over-simplification and of course the point I made about Catholics and Protestants no longer sharing a common language. If we ever did.

Words like salvation, sanctification, justification, predestination, etc., just aren't in the average Catholic's vocabulary. And certainly words like prayer and worship don't mean much of anything similar to Catholics and Protestants.

571 posted on 07/19/2010 10:17:21 AM PDT by Legatus
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To: boatbums
Boatmans, It would seem to me that because Rome's authority sets the beliefs for them then the Question would be what does Rome say concerning ‘works’ and their position on this matter. Because regardless of the confusion among catholics, if they see it another way or not, what Rome determines is what they have to adhere to.
583 posted on 07/19/2010 2:25:09 PM PDT by caww
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