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To: wagglebee; evangmlw; Mad Dawg; Pyro7480; Iscool; boatbums; count-your-change; RnMomof7; ...

The problem with criticizing the YOPIOS position, is that most of what non-Catholics believe is not a matter of personal interpretation. There are millions, if not hundreds of millions of Christians who do not accept transubstantiation, but rather that the bread and cup are symbolic and the ceremony is for remembrance only, not a re-enactment of the sacrifice ever time communion is celebrated.

There are also millions of believers who accept the doctrine of justified by grace alone, baptism as being symbolic, as well as other doctrine that Catholics like to write off as YOPIOS.

When it comes to issues like drinking and dancing, yeah, there’s some wiggle room for personal interpretation, if you consider it a sin, then for you it is a sin to participate, but as for the deity of Christ, the virgin birth, the Incarnation, the sinless life of Christ, His atonement, all the things that are considered critical for salvation, most major denominations are pretty close.

I can go into a Baptist Church or a pentecostal one and find believers there and have fellowship with them, even if I disagree with their stance on the gifts and use of them. That is why most believers don’t consider affiliating with a particular denomination significant.

Besides, as pointed out earlier, since they are non-Catholic, they are considered heretical by default by the Catholic church so it’s pretty much irrelevant which one it is.


589 posted on 07/19/2010 2:44:17 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom

Well put.

Thx.


595 posted on 07/19/2010 2:58:59 PM PDT by Quix (THE PLAN of the Bosses: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2519352/posts?page=2#2)
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There are millions, if not hundreds of millions of Christians who do not accept transubstantiation, but rather that the bread and cup are symbolic and the ceremony is for remembrance only, not a re-enactment of the sacrifice ever time communion is celebrated.

There are millions, perhaps hundreds of millions of people who call themselves Christians yet deny the Divinity of Christ and the Holy Trinity.

Saint Ignatius of Antioch was an Apostolic Church Father who personally knew Saints Peter, John and perhaps others. He was martyred sometime around 117 AD (he was fed to lions), as he was being taken to Rome he wrote letters, here is what he wrote in his Epistle to the Smyrnæans:

They abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer, because they confess not the Eucharist to be the flesh of our Saviour Jesus Christ, which suffered for our sins, and which the Father, of His goodness, raised up again. (Chapter 7)

If Ignatius was wrong, why did NONE of the Apostles or Church Fathers correct him?

That is why most believers don’t consider affiliating with a particular denomination significant.

Catholics, Orthodox, Lutherans and Anglicans make up well over three-quarters of the world's Christians, so your premise has no merit. The whole "non-denominational" thing is primarily an American development that came about in the last century.

Besides, as pointed out earlier, since they are non-Catholic, they are considered heretical by default by the Catholic church so it’s pretty much irrelevant which one it is.

Do you deny the Nicene Creed? Because, if not, whatever was pointed out is false.

662 posted on 07/19/2010 5:39:42 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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