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To: wagglebee

wb:”FIRST of all you would need to find where the Catholic Church has EVER suggested that the Blessed Mother ascended into Heaven.”

The Feast of the Assumption
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/02006b.htm

wb: “Again, the Catholic Church has ALWAYS acknowledged that the Blessed Mother was saved by grace, the Church simply understands that she was protected from sin at the moment of her conception.”

Where’s the Scripture that states that Mary was born without sin? Why was it necessary? Why couldn’t/wouldn’t God do that for the rest of the human race then?

If God could do it for Mary who was born of sinful parents, then He could have done it for Jesus even though He was born of a sinful woman.


8,754 posted on 10/05/2010 12:40:58 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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For starters, you need to understand that the Ascension and the Assumption are two TOTALLY DIFFERENT events.

Christ ascended into Heaven through His own Power.

The Blessed Mother was assumed into Heaven by our Lord through His own Power.

Where’s the Scripture that states that Mary was born without sin?

Genesis chapter 3 and Luke chapter 1.

Why was it necessary?

So that God was carried in an immaculate vessel.

Why couldn’t/wouldn’t God do that for the rest of the human race then?

Read the first three chapters of Genesis. He could have, He tried to, man failed.

If God could do it for Mary who was born of sinful parents, then He could have done it for Jesus even though He was born of a sinful woman.

He wasn't doing for Mary, He was doing it for Himself.

"Blessed AMONG women" means ALL women. For the Blessed Mother to be conceived in sin would make the mother of God INFERIOR to the mother of Cain.

8,761 posted on 10/05/2010 12:51:57 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: metmom
If God could do it for Mary who was born of sinful parents, then He could have done it for Jesus even though He was born of a sinful woman.

Wow, you guys never tire of departing from the doctrine of the Trinity, do you? I had had glimpses of non Trinitarian heresy before, but they have really come out on this thread. Ummm, are there any other non Christian beliefs that you guys wish to parade out here?

8,838 posted on 10/05/2010 3:07:10 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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