Posted on 08/27/2010 9:14:30 PM PDT by hiho hiho
They're also the first, in times of extreme duress, to exclaim "oh my God!!!!".
Yes, I know there is no such thing as collective salvation; my point, obviously not clearly made, is that salvation of any kind without God is pointless.
Ho, hum. They try, they try...
I saw a clip on Fox of Obama using the term "collective salvation" over and over again in different speeches.
Sounds like this is a new talking point we'll be hearing more of. I wonder where it started.
Sounds like somebody who *does* believe in God but chooses whiny, hypotheticals instead of facing his fear of [and responsibility for] what that “non-existent” God is gonna do with his silly ass when he croaks.
There is no such thing as a dead atheist.
“hiho hiho, it’s off to hell I go!”
[sorry...couldn’t resist]
;]
I tried casting off God; he had other plans for me and made it readily apparent.
On another note....anyone else notice how angry atheists are?
“Brutal Planet”
[Alice Cooper]
We’re spinning round on this ball of hate
There’s no parole, there’s no great escape
We’re sentenced here until the end of days
And then my brother there’s a price to pay
We’re only human, we were born to die
Without the benefit of reason why
We live for pleasure - to be satisfied
And now it’s over there’s no place to hide
Why don’t you, come down to
It’s such a brutal planet
It’s such an ugly world
Why won’t you, come down to
“This world is such perfection” (What a sight)
“It’s just like paradise” (For my eyes)
“A truly grand creation” (What a sight)
“From up here it looks so nice” (For my eyes)
It’s such a brutal planet
It’s such a livid hell
It was a holy garden
That’s right where Adam fell
It’s where the bite was taken
It’s where we chose to sin
It’s where we first were naked
This is where our death begins
We took advice from that deceiving snake
He said don’t worry it’s a piece of cake
And sent us swimming in a burning lake
Now we’re abandoned here for heaven’s sake
Why don’t you, come down to
It’s such a brutal planet
It’s such an ugly world
Why won’t you, come down to
“This world is such perfection” (What a sight)
“It’s just like paradise” (For my eyes)
“A truly grand creation” (What a sight)
“From up here it looks so nice” (For my eyes)
Here’s where we keep the armies
Here’s where we write their names
Here’s where our money got us
Here’s our famous hall of shame
Here’s where we starve the hungry
Here’s where we cheat the poor
Here’s where we beat the children
Here is where we pay the whore
Why don’t you, come down to
It’s such a brutal planet
It’s such an ugly world
Why won’t you, come down to
“This world is such perfection” (What a sight)
“It’s just like paradise” (For my eyes)
“A truly grand creation” (What a sight)
“From up here it looks so nice” (For my eyes)
Right here we stoned the prophets
Built idols out of mud
Right here we fed the lions
Christian flesh and Christian blood
Down here is where we hung him
Upon an ugly cross
Over there we filled the ovens
Right here the holocaust
All he has to know, right there.
Beginning/middle/end.
Really great drum/bass intro, too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SI1aMEEOAg
The second temptation of Lucifer is that once the individual soul has tasted Divine Love and has been once illuminated the soul believes it has sole propriety over the Divine Light it has obtained, and seeks to work its own will and power and ability as if the soul and its consciousness were its own peculiar possession.
As the the nature of our will draws us away from acting in accord with the Divine Will, we cease to see Divinity in others (hence the author uses the photographer as an example before himself of God not functioning through another to save the dying child - remember Lucifer is known as the Accuser for this very reason). This is the reason we are enjoined to love our enemies.
Liberals want God to be what they expect government to be: all powerful with no responsibility on man’s part.
Yes, that is typical of most Athiests. There is an abundance of well thought out apologetics they could read to at least get an intelligent and well reasoned argument for the existence of God and the Truth of Christianity, but they prefer to wallow in ignorance, either too lazy to study or too arrogant and cocksure of themselves to get a different point of view, or, most likely, too afraid to find their long held belief is founded on sand.
You are.
.. and there is a God...
There is.
... I hope I have the strength to express my true feelings.
You will have eternity to continue screaming at God.
I’d have set the camera on a tripod or other support, used the time delay shutter release and get a picture of me carrying the child to help.
Are there any atheist with some depth of thought or scholarship in the basics of the subject.
This reads like self-absorbed, teenage angst, like they all seem to.
I have the impression that the person who wrote this article, and people who believe similarly, have never potty-trained a child or have never spent much time around children at all. Children get so worked up about the silliest things, they’ll scream and rage over something that is objectively inconsequential but if they’d just cooperate and move on everyone would be so much happier.
Come on kiddo, I know you think mommy poisoned the broccoli and that if you let daddy buckle that seat belt you’re going to die. I know the teacher eats all the kids on the first day of school, if the puppy licks you your hand will fall off, there are monsters under the bed and thunder is the sound of the sky falling.
The fear is real and so is the pain and anguish fear causes. Who knows, maybe the food on your plate is making your insides bleed, I thought it was just lasagna. Maybe the things on your legs are a million spider bites, I thought they were just pants.
But if you’ll put those pants on, eat the lasagna and broccoli and let me buckle your seat belt we’ll go get ice cream.
He! That’s personal pronoun abuse. Self-obsession and atheism go together like stink and a monkey.
>> Jeff Musall: “Did this boy not pray? We don’t know - did he perhaps pray to the wrong God? Did no one in the world pray for hungry children? “
Okay then Jeff, how does the absence of God make this situation better?
One can not leave dogma behind. One can only trade one dogma for another. As thinking beings we must have a core set of beliefs in order to make sense of our world. Only the insane have no dogma.
As he professes to be an Atheist his use of the word “salvation” is rather odd. He uses it in a moral tone. However morality is necessarily an individual responsibility. Although societies/cultures may share moral values the practice of those moral values are necessarily an individual act for free persons. In a free society one chooses to either accept and practice the moral values of society or to ignore them and live life amorally to one degree or another.
His last sentence here kind of parallels Jesus statement that “What so ever you do to the least of my brothers that you do unto me” but makes it a collective responsibility. But his example of the starving boy points out the failure of the collective approach to charity. Despite that hulking mammoth of charity food distribution known as the UN the child dies of hunger only a kilometer away from life saving food. The photographer made the individual choice not to extend charity to the child and remain the aloof reporter and not become part of the story. He is part of the failure of collective charity. He did not feel the pressing need of individual action because in collective charity the individual has been relieved of individual responsibility.
In a free society, in a society where people are free to make their own moral choices, charity can not be forcibly extracted from citizens of that society. In a free society the individual is responsible to his own conscience to extend charity to those he sees in need. And as a consequence those receiving the largess of that charity feel the responsibility to reciprocate that charity when they are able.
This is in essence the message of Christ; salvation is a free choice. You can except the free gift of salvation or reject it.
“The fool hath said in his heart there is no God.” So, yes, this guy is a fool, and yes, someday his knee will bow and his tongue will confess. However, it will then be too late for him to repent and acknowledge God.
What a pity!
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