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To Tithe Or Not To Tithe ( Vanity )
The Glenn Beck Show | August 30, 2010 | Self

Posted on 08/30/2010 3:42:03 PM PDT by SouthDixie

Okay, I'll be honest, I am not a great follower of Glenn Beck yet I am trying to understand what exactly his message is. I try to understand by listening to what others have to say and by watching his shows and rallys.
Today on his show, Glenn said, "If you don't believe in giving 10% tithe, why are you going to that church?" I about had to pick my jaw off the floor. I was not aware attending church was about a 10% tithe and if you didn't have the funds, why attend?
In my minds eye, this is NOT how to attract people to church or to the word of God. God is about Love, Compassion and Unity. In these economic times people are barely able to care for their families let alone give 10% of their income to churches that havn't exactly set a very "spiritual" example.
I am not sure I enjoy where Glenn Beck is taking us.


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1 posted on 08/30/2010 3:42:05 PM PDT by SouthDixie
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To: SouthDixie

I think you’re taking him too literally. A 10% tithe is old testament law. Under the grace of Christ, we’re free to give whatever we can afford to the work of the church, be it 1%, 5%, 10% or more.

The issue he raises is a good one - if you don’t believe enough in the work of your denomination/congregation to support it to one degree or another...why go?


2 posted on 08/30/2010 3:45:51 PM PDT by Yet_Again
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To: SouthDixie

The tithe is one of the areas where God tells his people to test him. While I understand the point that tithe is to God not a church, and I am fully aware that tithe can be spread across several churches, non-profits and direct giving, there are two things to keep in mind.

1) Cheerful giving - God loves a cheerful giver
2) giving money to an organization that does not recognize God or give glory to God for the offering and/or does not advance the Kingdon, is of little use and in my opinion, does not qualify as tithe.


3 posted on 08/30/2010 3:48:32 PM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: SouthDixie

Tithing is 10%. You can’t say you don’t have 10% unless you make 0%. Of course you say you don’t want to tithe, or that you can count your tithe in different ways (in kind work, all donations, help to family, offering plate, etc.).

Beck’s message is extremely simplistic. Our rights are given to us from God. If you want to preserve your rights, you first have to acknowledge God.

Atheists can also claim natural rights, but it has no greater authority that the natural right of Darwinism. That is, why shouldn’t the stronger make the rules? Its only natural.


4 posted on 08/30/2010 3:49:05 PM PDT by SampleMan (If all of the people currently oppressed shared a common geography, bullets would already be flying.)
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To: Yet_Again

Where is that reference?

Under New Testament law, Peter asked the members of the Church to give 100 percent, and some were killed by God for lying about withholding some.

The word tithe means tenth.


5 posted on 08/30/2010 3:49:09 PM PDT by Ripliancum ("As He died to make men holy, let us live to make men free")
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To: SouthDixie

Tithing is 10%. You can’t say you don’t have 10% unless you make 0%. Of course you say you don’t want to tithe, or that you can count your tithe in different ways (in kind work, all donations, help to family, offering plate, etc.).

Beck’s message is extremely simplistic. Our rights are given to us from God. If you want to preserve your rights, you first have to acknowledge God.

Atheists can also claim natural rights, but it has no greater authority that the natural right of Darwinism. That is, why shouldn’t the stronger make the rules? Its only natural.


6 posted on 08/30/2010 3:49:28 PM PDT by SampleMan (If all of the people currently oppressed shared a common geography, bullets would already be flying.)
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To: SouthDixie

Tithing is 10%. You can’t say you don’t have 10% unless you make 0%. Of course you say you don’t want to tithe, or that you can count your tithe in different ways (in kind work, all donations, help to family, offering plate, etc.).

Beck’s message is extremely simplistic. Our rights are given to us from God. If you want to preserve your rights, you first have to acknowledge God.

Atheists can also claim natural rights, but it has no greater authority that the natural right of Darwinism. That is, why shouldn’t the stronger make the rules? Its only natural.


7 posted on 08/30/2010 3:49:33 PM PDT by SampleMan (If all of the people currently oppressed shared a common geography, bullets would already be flying.)
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To: Yet_Again; SouthDixie

Now to answer Beck’s question / challenge, sometimes broken hearts need a place to mend and get right themselves before they can mature enough to help others.


8 posted on 08/30/2010 3:50:50 PM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: Yet_Again

Good point. Also, if you don’t trust God enough to believe what he says about our giving, you probably need to do some serious praying. All the promises He made in the Bible, He has kept.


9 posted on 08/30/2010 3:52:57 PM PDT by bamagirl1944 (That's short for Alabama, not Obama)
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To: SouthDixie

I may be wrong, but I don’t believe “tithe” is mentioned in the New Testament at all. 10% is a guideline.


10 posted on 08/30/2010 3:54:14 PM PDT by TommyDale (Independent - I already left the GOP because they were too liberal)
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To: SouthDixie
I am not sure I enjoy where Glenn Beck is taking us.
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This is where he is taking us:

Malachi 3:

8 Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings.
9 Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation.
10 Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the Lord of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.
11 And I will rebuke the devourer for your sakes, and he shall not destroy the fruits of your ground; neither shall your vine cast her fruit before the time in the field, saith the Lord of hosts.
12 And all nations shall call you blessed: for ye shall be a delightsome land, saith the Lord of hosts.

11 posted on 08/30/2010 3:54:51 PM PDT by Ripliancum ("As He died to make men holy, let us live to make men free")
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To: SouthDixie

I’m guessing he was talking to someone who said their particular church had a 10% tithing rule, and they didn’t want to follow it. In that context, it would make sense for him to ask why they were still going to the church if they didn’t agree with the policies.


12 posted on 08/30/2010 3:55:02 PM PDT by Boogieman
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Preview twice. Preview thrice if ya gotta. But post once.


13 posted on 08/30/2010 3:55:54 PM PDT by BufordP (Once a Marine - always a Marine ... Until Jack Murtha.)
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To: SampleMan

Talking about whether to tithe or not always reminds me of the man who tithed when he made a small amount but wasn’t sure he could afford to tithe when he made a larger amount. God’s reply: Well, I can always fix it where you don’t make so much if that’s a problem.


14 posted on 08/30/2010 3:56:05 PM PDT by bamagirl1944 (That's short for Alabama, not Obama)
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To: Yet_Again

>>I think you’re taking him too literally. A 10% tithe is old testament law. Under the grace of Christ, we’re free to give whatever we can afford to the work of the church, be it 1%, 5%, 10% or more.

The issue he raises is a good one - if you don’t believe enough in the work of your denomination/congregation to support it to one degree or another...why go?<<

This nails it. Tithing is strictly an “old testament” thing. Even look at what Jesus had to say about it.

GIVING, on the other hand, is VERY Christian. And it is not a specific percentage. The rule of thumb is, if it is not sacrifice, it is not enough.


15 posted on 08/30/2010 3:56:23 PM PDT by RobRoy (The US Today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: SouthDixie

In any event, what Glenn Beck says is not the all ending. Everyone seems to be bashing him for one reason or another, I suspect it is because he is Mormon. I am not a Mormon, I just think he is a good man trying to help America. He has certainly not tried to proselytize anyone.


16 posted on 08/30/2010 4:00:07 PM PDT by TommyDale (Independent - I already left the GOP because they were too liberal)
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To: RobRoy
The rule of thumb is, if it is not sacrifice, it is not enough.

Really? According to whom?

Is that based on a quote from the Gospel of St. Marx? "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need."



17 posted on 08/30/2010 4:03:30 PM PDT by peyton randolph (There is no such thing as moderate Islam)
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To: Ripliancum
Under New Testament law, Peter asked the members of the Church to give 100 percent, and some were killed by God for lying about withholding some.

This is not correct. First, in the story of Ananias and Sapphira, they were struck down not for withholding some but for lying (withholding some and representing it as the whole). Furthermore, Peter did not tell them to give 100%. http://bible-truths.com/tithing.html Give what you give joyfully. Do not let the exhortations of those who would build multi million dollar super sanctuaries financed by the banks and have their tongues bound by their debtors place you under the law.
18 posted on 08/30/2010 4:03:39 PM PDT by Yet_Again
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To: SouthDixie
Interesting thread as my wife and I have been discussing the issue of tithing.
I do not go to her church. She tithes and was talking with me about what is the proper amount she should tithe.
Is it 10% her income? - she has her own job, or 10% of our family income? - her income + my income.

This has been an on-going issue, so far very civil, with us.
19 posted on 08/30/2010 4:04:29 PM PDT by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus)
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To: SouthDixie
In these economic times people are barely able to care for their families let alone give 10% of their income to churches that havn't exactly set a very "spiritual" example.

It's in the Old Testament. The 10% is to care for the poor. With charity, you don't need Caesar.

The churches used to do what the government is doing now. Back then, charity was given from the heart. Today, "charity" is forced on people by the point of an IRS rifle.

See the difference? The old way is better. The freeloaders had to get their own jobs, and the truly needy had more than enough.(There's a big difference between the "the wanting" and "the needy.")

If your church isn't using it's funds to bear good fruit, support another Church. Think about where your money is going. Make sure it's going to the right place.

20 posted on 08/30/2010 4:04:32 PM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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