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To: vladimir998
“And she still does those things now. “

No, she died 2,000 years ago. I would think if you truly believe Scripture you would ask God directly for things. Why do you need an intercessor. Is God not enough? Is not Jesus enough?

Check out Hebrews 3:1 “ Therefore, holy brothers, who share in the heavenly calling, fix your thoughts on Jesus, the apostle and high priest whom we confess.”

And Hebrews 4: “14Therefore, since we have a great high priest who has gone through the heavens,[e] Jesus the Son of God, let us hold firmly to the faith we profess. 15For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are—yet was without sin. 16Let us then approach the throne of grace with confidence, so that we may receive mercy and find grace to help us in our time of need.”

Pretty clear from those passages that we do not need any intercessors to put our needs before Jesus.
I don't understand why Catholics think this isn't good enough for them, and they want to add human created layers between us and the Son of God?

102 posted on 09/20/2010 6:20:22 AM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (Coexist; (when possible.) At all other times, have superior firepower.)
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To: HereInTheHeartland

You wrote:

“No, she died 2,000 years ago.”

Her body died, not her soul. The same thing will happen to you and me. Our souls live forever.

“I would think if you truly believe Scripture you would ask God directly for things.”

I would think if you knew anything, you would know we do.

“Why do you need an intercessor.”

We don’t other than Jesus but since Jesus gives us saints to help us why not use them?

“Is God not enough?”

Yes, He is.

“Is not Jesus enough?”

Yes, He is. But Jesus loves us so much that He gave us a family of saints to help bind us to Him. Why not use what God has given us? Do you really need scripture? Gee, isn’t God enough? Do you see how stupid that sounds?

“Check out Hebrews 3:1 “ Therefore, holy brothers, who share in the heavenly calling, fix your thoughts on Jesus, the apostle and high priest whom we confess.””

And we do - even when we petition the saints because we are always cognizant of the fact that God made them saints. They are nothing without Him - just as we are nothing without Him.

“And Hebrews 4: “14Therefore, since we have a great high priest who has gone through the heavens,[e] Jesus the Son of God, let us hold firmly to the faith we profess. 15For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are—yet was without sin. 16Let us then approach the throne of grace with confidence, so that we may receive mercy and find grace to help us in our time of need.””

Again, we know all of this and that is exactly why we have teh saints. Christ is the High Priest who made the saints with His grace.

“Pretty clear from those passages that we do not need any intercessors to put our needs before Jesus.”

Pretty clear from those passages that Jesus is generous with His grace for us and His saints.

“I don’t understand why Catholics think this isn’t good enough for them, and they want to add human created layers between us and the Son of God?”

Since we don’t do that there is no surprise that you don’t udnerstand what doesn’t exist. Maybe you should spend more time studying what we actually believe rather than make up things like a bigot would do. Wouldn’t you be more successful in learning that way? When you study geography do you make up countries that do not exist? When you study scripture do you make up lettesr from Paul that do not exist? Don’t invent doctrines we don’t believe in. If you wish to debate me on the faith, fine, but why make things up that NO ONE believes in? How honest is that?


103 posted on 09/20/2010 6:33:22 AM PDT by vladimir998 (Part of the Vast Catholic Conspiracy (hat tip to Kells))
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