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To: HereInTheHeartland

You wrote:

“Funny how how that part was left out of Scripture.”

It wasn’t left out. Christ founded a Church. Certainly it was no Protestant sects since none of them existed for another 1500 years. Who does that leave? Your only choices are the Catholic Church or the Orthodox Churches.

“Why would Christ come and tear down the walls between humanity and God; and then insist that a bureaucratic, ritual driven church be founded?”

Because He BECAME a man. Christ took on flesh so He could walk among us and die on the cross. In other words, He used the things of this world - flesh, the cross, bread, wine - to accomplish His desire (to teach and redeem mankind). He gathered followers and even separated them into two groupes: Apostles and Disciples. He told them the secret understanding of the parables, but no one else (Mark 4:11). Why? Why didn’t Christ just tell everyone? Why did Christ give the Apostles power and authority he gave to no one else (John 20:19-23)?


82 posted on 09/19/2010 11:46:44 AM PDT by vladimir998 (Part of the Vast Catholic Conspiracy (hat tip to Kells))
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“Certainly it was no Protestant sects since none of them existed for another 1500 years”

Another lie taught to the ignorant by members of the fusion cult of the “queen of heaven”.

First of all there really is no such thing as protestantism in the same sense that there is the various branches of the Greek Orthodox Church who later then excommunicated the Roman Catholic church at the time of Leo for beginning the papacy and then who created their own various branches and separations within themselves in history.

Protestantism should really only be seen as a general term to define those people who in European history had become exposed to the Bible themselves and began to learn to the Biblical based gospel through reading it directly. Those “protesters” in Europe became a large group after being exposed to the bible and thus naturally protesting against the Papal fusion cult and all her heresies, abominations, abuses and indulgences. These protestors were by no means an organized centralized church though, they were just individuals who were for the first time starting to make up their own minds themselves rather then being held in deception for centuries as their forefathers were.

Neither the Greek Orthodox, Roman Catholics or Protestant individuals have any kind of lineage claim with God that makes them the way to salvation, the only way to salvation is through the Son, Jesus, and He is only revealed by faith individually by calling out to Him in repentance by knowing the doctrines of the Bible, not by taking part in any traditions of men, memberships in ancient pagan fusion cults who serve false christs, or needing some priest of a pagan fusion cult to intercede for you to the “queen of heaven”, etc.

A certain period of European history was called the “dark ages” for a reason, as the common man was kept in the dark by the Roman Catholic religion as well as various other smaller false gospel movements as to what the Bible actually taught.

***What changed everything was the invention of the printing press alone.***

Because of the printing press various men became known through their writings which they could then mass publish and distribute. Calvin, Luther, etc. just happened to be around at that time and became more known, but they by no means started the massive “protesting” movements themselves, it was the exposing of the general public to the Bible through the printing press that started everything.

Luther and Calvin never had to exist for masses of people to leave the Roman Catholic fusion cult. Luther and Calvin were heretics in their own way as well anyways and brought about their own set of unbiblical teachings, which of course was understandable as they were just babies coming out of a cult trying to find their way in a dark time.

The routes which many (originally) “protesting” churches have gone in the same way of Roman Catholicism and created their own unbiblical fusion cults (as this lesbian article shows) clearly shows and proves again that any group who moves away from the Bible alone has no hope of knowing the True Christ or His gospel, but will end up in corruption as all heretical movements have in the last 2000 years.


84 posted on 09/19/2010 1:04:42 PM PDT by LeaveAmericaNow
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To: vladimir998

“Christ founded a Church. Certainly it was no Protestant sects since none of them existed for another 1500 years. “

Again, no. The church in Acts was not the Catholic church.
Also, Catholics base their authority on Matthew 16:18; which is a misunderstanding of scripture.

Humans created the precursor of the Catholic church, because humans crave power and importance.
Jesus did not not teach or create the Catholic church.
I have no doubt if Jesus descended from heaven today, he would sweep away the Catholic churches rituals, gaudy robes, the Mary worship, jewelry and all the rest. He would do it in the same way (and the same anger) he threw the money changers from the Temple.


88 posted on 09/19/2010 1:41:42 PM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (Coexist; (when possible.) At all other times, have superior firepower.)
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