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To: vladimir998
“Not by Catholics she isn’t.”

That's odd, as I see many instances of Catholics asking Mary to intercede for things. That is worship in most people's books.
Mary was an ordinary woman asked to do extraordinary things.

The only truth is Christ. Not gaudy robed popes. Not layers of priest and bureaucrats created to put a division between man and Christ.
This all so simple when one reads and seeks to understand Scripture. No one who reads Scripture can think God had any intention of creating a Pharisee type replacement for what He came to abolish.

95 posted on 09/19/2010 7:32:03 PM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (Coexist; (when possible.) At all other times, have superior firepower.)
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To: HereInTheHeartland

“That’s odd, as I see many instances of Catholics asking Mary to intercede for things. That is worship in most people’s books.
“Mary was an ordinary woman asked to do extraordinary things.”

Asking someone to pray for you and beg God on your behalf is not “worship”. You ask people to pray for you or your loved ones many a time, I’d wager.

As for praising Mary, etc., I’d say it’s nothing more than veneration. We (certainly I do) venerate George Washington. That does not mean we worship him and make him god.


97 posted on 09/19/2010 7:49:35 PM PDT by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: HereInTheHeartland

You wrote:

“That’s odd, as I see many instances of Catholics asking Mary to intercede for things. That is worship in most people’s books.”

Only if they are ignorant and stupid. We ask Mary to pray for us TO GOD. So, even when we ask Mary for prayers we are actually honoring ONLY God as God.

“Mary was an ordinary woman asked to do extraordinary things.”

Exactly! And she still does those things now. All of them through the power of God.

“The only truth is Christ. Not gaudy robed popes. Not layers of priest and bureaucrats created to put a division between man and Christ.”

Okay, let’s use your own logic: If only Christ is truth then scripture is untrue, right? If only Christ is truth, then the Father is not truth, right? No, both scripture and the Father are truth. They share in the same truth that is Christ. And Christ can share Himself in that way with His Church (which scripture - and you claim to believe in scripture - says [the Church] is the bulwark and pillar of the truth; 1 Tim 3). These things are simple, but you don’t seem to understand them at all. Read Ephesians 3:10. Notice how the Church teaches even the angels about the wisdom of God? How could the Church do that if it were not true?

“This all so simple when one reads and seeks to understand Scripture.”

Clearly I understand the scriptures much better than you do.

“No one who reads Scripture can think God had any intention of creating a Pharisee type replacement for what He came to abolish.”

And I don’t believe God created Protestantism. I do believe He founded His Church and that Church is the Catholic Church.


101 posted on 09/20/2010 5:33:52 AM PDT by vladimir998 (Part of the Vast Catholic Conspiracy (hat tip to Kells))
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