Posted on 10/20/2010 12:25:13 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
While I agree that Quantum Physics seems to offer a good explaination of relationship between the physical and spiritual realms, I must disagree with you that UFO’s are simply from other areas within our own Universe. What evidence of this do you offer?
Everything that we know of these beings points to their ability to bend the “rules” of our own Universe at their whim, which is something that I would expect from a being that is not of this plane of existance but not something that a being from our plane of existance can perform, so please let me know what you think supports the idea of these beings belonging to a physical nature instead of a spiritual nature.
Now, I am open to new information changing the way I view a subject so if you have some kind of new information that I haven’t heard before, please share it.
Beelzobama is reported to be light in the loafers. Does THAT count?
This nonsense was also discussed in this thread: Hindu Kundalini infestation of Pentecostalism and their war on the Queen of Heaven?
The attack on authentic Marian apparitions is just as much a demonic deception as the UFO phenomenon.
Scripture is very clear about the demonic attack on the true Queen of Heaven (and she is the Mother of God, not the pagan idol mentioned in Jeremiah) in the End Times:
Revelation 12 (New International Version)
Revelation 12
The Woman and the Dragon
1A great and wondrous sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head. 2She was pregnant and cried out in pain as she was about to give birth. 3Then another sign appeared in heaven: an enormous red dragon with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on his heads. 4His tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to the earth. The dragon stood in front of the woman who was about to give birth, so that he might devour her child the moment it was born. 5She gave birth to a son, a male child, who will rule all the nations with an iron scepter. And her child was snatched up to God and to his throne. 6The woman fled into the desert to a place prepared for her by God, where she might be taken care of for 1,260 days.7And there was war in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. 8But he was not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven. 9The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.
10Then I heard a loud voice in heaven say:
"Now have come the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God,
and the authority of his Christ.
For the accuser of our brothers,
who accuses them before our God day and night,
has been hurled down.
11They overcame him
by the blood of the Lamb
and by the word of their testimony;
they did not love their lives so much
as to shrink from death.
12Therefore rejoice, you heavens
and you who dwell in them!
But woe to the earth and the sea,
because the devil has gone down to you!
He is filled with fury,
because he knows that his time is short."13When the dragon saw that he had been hurled to the earth, he pursued the woman who had given birth to the male child. 14The woman was given the two wings of a great eagle, so that she might fly to the place prepared for her in the desert, where she would be taken care of for a time, times and half a time, out of the serpent's reach. 15Then from his mouth the serpent spewed water like a river, to overtake the woman and sweep her away with the torrent. 16But the earth helped the woman by opening its mouth and swallowing the river that the dragon had spewed out of his mouth. 17Then the dragon was enraged at the woman and went off to make war against the rest of her offspring—those who obey God's commandments and hold to the testimony of Jesus.
One other item I noticed where I believe you have solid intentions but haven’t fully thought out the ramifications is your assertion that “Science is not and should not ever be the enemy of religion. If anything, it can prevent the deeply spiritual from formulating seemingly ‘rational’ arguments that latter are proved wrong and look silly.”
While I fully agree that the sciences, when fully understood and correctly interpreted, can not and will not ever be the enemy of religion, I would like you to remember that the only thing we can be sure of in this world is that which is revealed as true by God.
Many times this does not cause a conflict, as the truth is patently obvious, but in some instances it can, has and will cause conflicts, especially where man’s understanding of the sciences leads them in a direction away from the path that is revealed as true by God. It’s at these times that mankind must ask the question of “who is right, God or man?”
For example, in Job 36, God talks about the hydrologic cycle, yet we didn’t understand this cycle until recently. Who was right, God or man?
Again, in Genesis 7 and Job 38, God speaks about the Hydrothermal vents (fountains of the deep, springs of the sea) yet we didn’t know about them first hand for another 3000 years.
I can keep going, but the point is this. If the Bible says something is true and is correctly understood, then if science disagrees, science MUST yield.
Those theories are based entirely upon abstract mathematics--unsupported by experimental evidence.
Why can't Marian apparitions be part of the UFO phenomenon?
There are people who've witnessed ET deaths and seen their corpses. Sounds like physical reality to me.
As to their abilities to bend ‘rules’, to those who don't understand how a particular technology works, it always looks fantastic.
“Any technology, sufficiently advanced, is indistinguishable from magic”. (I forget who made that statement so I cannot attribute the quote, but it sums up my attitude about advanced technology rather nicely.)
I doubt a person from the 18th century could guess that a microwave oven was capable of cooking food or boiling water. Our homes, offices, and industries are filled with devices that do things which someone from just 50 years ago would perceive as wondrous, even magical.
Unfortunately, much of the last two decades of mainstream Pentecostal phenomena is likely demonic itself, according to mainstream Pentecostals such as Pastor David Wilkerson and Andrew Strom, bringing into question any claim by Pentecostals that valid Marian apparitions may be demonic deceptions. And the Pentecostals are relying on secular UFOlogists as the basis of their claims on Fatima, not the most credible bunch, bringing into further question the discernment of those who make these claims about Fatima.
“I can keep going, but the point is this. If the Bible says something is true and is correctly understood, then if science disagrees, science MUST yield.”
This isn’t mentioned in the Holy Bible that I know of, but the Church maintained for centuries that the Earth was the center of the Universe.
The Church’s error was HUGE. I, for one, am glad science did not yield.
Thanks for posting a very good article.
I don’t know why some people want to dabble in what the Devil/demons are doing.
With all things give Praise and uplift others.
So much truth to misery loves company and there is more than enough of that on the internet.
I read very few threads anymore as there is sooo much misery being posted it is IMO truly unhealthy.
Thanks again.
Parallel universes are theorized.
You are correct. Only if one is a demon-fighter are they more real than theory.
Very nice Great Seal of Kansas at your home page, mas cerveza.
The thing is, accepting the possibility of demonic influence in the material world does not ipso facto deny the existence of material aliens. They could just be perverting that existence to their own ends.
You’ve got me there, I have to admit I know nothing about spaceship technology. So, how many have you designed and built?
Did you know that the Federal Reserve makes money out of thin air? Unbelievable. But QE is exactly that — money out of thin air.
Frankly, I can believe in space travel being real, and spaceships that reflect light when moving below the speed of light but are invisible when exceeding it (which I don’t think they actually do anyway).
Money out of thin air? Nope.
WOW! You can read the minds of aliens?
Allen Hynek, physicist, astronomer, went from being skeptic to believer as science advisor to Project Blue Book. Before his death, he came to believe that these beings are not extraterrestrial, but extra-dimensional.
The whole idea of them coming from a distance star system was tossed out years ago. For example...
"One theory which can no longer be taken very seriously is that UFOs are interstellar spaceships."
- Arthur C. Clarke, New York Times Book Review, 07/27/75
Here are a couple of interesting quotes from someone who was abducted...
"Increasingly I felt as if I were entering a struggle that might even be more than life and death. It might be a struggle for my soul, my essence, or whatever part of me might have reference to the eternal. There are worse things than death, I suspected... so far the word demon had never been spoken among the scientists and doctors who were working with me...Alone at night I worried about the legendary cunning of demons ...At the very least I was going stark, raving mad."
- Whitley Strieber, Transformation, p. 44-45"I felt an absolutely indescribable sense of menace. It was hell on earth to be there [in the presence of the entities], and yet I couldn't move, couldn't cry out, couldn't get away. I'd lay as still as death, suffering inner agonies. Whatever was there seemed so monstrously ugly, so filthy and dark and sinister. Of course they were demons. They had to be. And they were here and I couldn't get away."
- Whitley Strieber, Transformation, p. 181
I am not pentecostal, so I’ll repeat my question. Why can’t Marian apparitions be part of the UFO phenomenon?
Am very blessed to read this.
I wish I had more confidence that it reflected the attitude and perspective of the hierarchy.
Interesting site. Follow through the 12Dec2012 links and see how the intersecting galaxies segue into a convergence on the same date.
http://viewzone2.com/milkywayx.html
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