LDS View of God Contradicts the Bible

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[Normandy]

We are commmanded to live lives of righteousness.

Jesus said in Matthew 5:20 “For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.”

I believe that righteousness grows out of faith and that we show our faith by our works, and that faith without works is dead, being alone.

None in this life is going to live a flawless life, and God knows and understands that. He has provided a Savior to atone for our sins and weakness and we are wholly dependent upon Jesus Christ to cleanse us from all sin.

In the end, God judges us according to his perfect knowledge, love, wisdom, mercy and justice — and he alone knows who will enter into the Kingdom of God.

[Elsie]

 

Boloney sausage that straw man belongs too you...

 

It appears that you are mistaken; Resty.

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AoF #3  We believe that through the Atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel.

 

[Ruy Dias de Bivar]

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[MHGinTN]

You offered, Jesus said in Matthew 5:20 “For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.” Now, Norm, keep the words of Jesus in mind as you reread the passage from Isaiah! Do you really believe you in the power of your flesh can live MORE righteous than the Pharisees? Jesus was trying to get His listeners to realize that they could NEVER live righteously enough to acquire the Nature of God, even if they lived more perfectly than the Pahrisees!

Righteousness doesn't grow like a sunflower, Norm. It is a Gift of God given to the believer when they faithe in God's Grace to them in the Person and work of Jesus Christ! That is why Paul gave explicit instruction regarding Abraham who lived before the law which Pharisees live as best they could. Do you think you can be as good as God's natural nature by living the dos and avoiding the don'ts you have been taught by the religion of Mormonism? Jesus's message to those who believed they could is what you posted!

[Tennessee Nana]

none is righteous that is the way of the world, but not of the Lord.
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no the mormon lord probably didnt say anything like that..

It is the Christian God who said

“There is none righteous, no, not one” Romans 3:10

[greyfoxx39]

Why would anyone donate money to a site that opts to attack their church?

Mormoni$m equates money with power. The church itself has built up a multi-billion-dollar empire and the church leaders' educations are all involved with money and business.

This withholding of donations to FReeRepublic has been a recurring threat from mormons who would like to dictate the content of the Religion Forum.

Council on the Disposition of the Tithes

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Council on the Disposition of the Tithes (also known as the Council on the Disposition of Tithing) is a leadership body in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, composed of the First Presidency, the Presiding Bishopric, and Quorum of the Twelve Apostles. The Council determines how the tithing funds of the church will be spent. The Council oversees revenue, investments and expenditures valued at billions of dollars per year.

While the Church employs an independent auditing department which provides an annual report to the Church^[1], it has not published full financial reports since 1959.

The Council was established by church founder Joseph Smith, Jr. on 8 July 1838.^[2] As of April 2009, the members of the Council are:

• Thomas S. Monson, President of the Church  University of Utah. BA Business management
• Henry B. Eyring, First Counselor in the First Presidency Doctorate in Business Administration, Harvard Business School
• Dieter F. Uchtdorf, Second Counselor in the First Presidency  started studying engineering at 18 but later continued in Business Administration in Cologne, Germany, graduated from the International Institute for Management Development,Lausanne, Switzerland.
• H. David Burton, Presiding Bishop  University of Utah, BA economics, MA Business Administration from the University of Michigan
• Richard C. Edgley, First Counselor in the Presiding Bishopric BS, political science from Brigham Young University, MA business administration from Indiana University
• Keith B. McMullin, Second Counselor in the Presiding Bishopric ??
• Boyd K. Packer, President of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles  Doctorate in educational administration from BYU, 1962
• L. Tom Perry, Member, Quorum of the Twelve Apostles  Graduated from Utah State University in 1949 with a B.S. in business.
• Russell M. Nelson, Member, Quorum of the Twelve Apostles Medical Doctor with specialty as Cardiac Surgeon.
• Dallin H. Oaks, Member, Quorum of the Twelve Apostles  Brigham Young University in accounting in 1954, and the University of Chicago Law School in 1957.
• M. Russell Ballard, Member, Quorum of the Twelve Apostles  Prior to his call as a full-time Church leader, Elder Ballard had interests in the automotive, real estate, and investment businesses.
• Richard G. Scott, Member, Quorum of the Twelve Apostles George Washington University, BS in Mechanical Engineering.
• Robert D. Hales, Member, Quorum of the Twelve Apostles received degrees from the University of Utah and Harvard Business School.
• Jeffrey R. Holland, Member, Quorum of the Twelve Apostles  MA in Religious Education from BYU. Yale University, Ph.D in American Studies
• David A. Bednar, Member, Quorum of the Twelve Apostles BA in communication, MA BYU in organizational communication, Doctorate in organizational behavior from Purdue University
• Quentin L. Cook, Member, Quorum of the Twelve Apostles Utah State University , BA in political science, Stanford Law School
• D. Todd Christofferson, Member, Quorum of the Twelve Apostles BA from Brigham Young University,  J.D. Duke University School of Law
• Neil L. Andersen, Member, Quorum of the Twelve Apostles  MBA degree, Harvard Business School.

Here is a lesson plan from the "Family Home Evening Resource Book" on teaching about paying tithing...it is truly an eye-opener to Christians who tithe from their hearts.

The Lord has asked that we pay tithes and offerings; by doing so, we show our love for him and help to build his kingdom.

"Point out that you pay tithing first, and then you pay a portion of what you owe on each other bill. Talk about which areas you might be able to cut expenses in so that you can live within your budget. Paying the Lord first ensures his help and blessings in being able to budget the rest of your money successfully."

Makes their Lord seem to be a businessman, doesn't it?

[MHGinTN]

It would be an interesting study—if it could be done—to compare and contrast waht the Christian who stumbles into Mormonism believes regarding faith and works, as different from what the non-Christian who gets caught up in Mormonism beleievs regarding righteous living earning salvation fro Jesus.

[MHGinTN]

It would be an interesting study--if it could be done--to compare and contrast waht the Christian who stumbles into Mormonism believes regarding faith and works, as different from what the non-Christian who gets caught up in Mormonism beleievs regarding righteous living earning salvation from Jesus.

[Osage Orange]

Therefore, simply believing Jesus is the Son of God is not enough to enter heaven

Really? Well, I guess the poor thief on the cross with Jesus...got lied to.

And I guess...John 3:16...is just all wrong.

BTW, what's up with the Baptism of the Dead thing you mormons...do. What EXACTLY are you all doing there.

[Osage Orange]

Hey Norm....are you righteous?

[Tennessee Nana]

Hmmmmmmmmmm

Mormons attempting to manipulate and control the content of the printed media...

Since back in 1844 when they destroyed a printing press and burnt down a newspaper building...

No First Amendment rights allowed by the mormons..

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

not exactly champions of the Constitution are they ???

[Osage Orange]

What about folks that can't talk?

Personally I understand the scripture....but I also know God. And He knows our hearts.

[Normandy]

Remember, though, that the righteousness of the Pharisees was not pleasing to Jesus. He castigated them for their pride in keeping the minutua of the law, while omitting “the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith”.

The righteousnes that Jesus wants his disciples to have is purity of heart, mercy, peacemaking, charity, etc. When the heart is right, works of righteousness naturally follow.

[greyfoxx39]

How can one honestly walk worthy in the sight of the Lord if they are going against His will by being disruptive speaking ill of another even being contentious?

What a truly incredible statement.

The understanding of your faith may allow you to believe bashing is a good thing, (nothing "bashing" here, move along)..... but the counsel I receive from the Lord....really?... is to bridle the nature man.....welll....when? (ahem!)

[MHGinTN]

Really, do you think you can live the nature of God by trying to imitate the letter of the law? This is about FIRST faithing in Jesus as Savior, THEN His Holy Spirit comes into your human spirit so that the Life of God changes the soul of the man, achieving works of righteousness because of the One Whom is the author of the behavior. You might say it’s all about ‘behavior modification’ achieved by Whom sets up residence in the suddenly alive spirit of a man directing the behavior mechanism, the soul of the man (or woman, as the case may be, dear Saundra).

[greyfoxx39]

This is why the Lord provied a way wash off the dirt of the word world as in baptism and sacrament.

Who provided endowments, sealings, baptism, confirmation and endowments for the dead, "eternal" marriage, three degrees of "glory"? Clue: It wasn't THE LORD.

[MHGinTN]

You offered, "When the heart is right, works of righteousness naturally follow." And Norm, what is the thing that can make the heart right? And what does it mean to say 'the heart is right'?

It takes the Life of God in the heart of man, to live the nature of God in the world. Jesus did it 24/7/365. Christians do it to the extent that they accept the leadership of the Lord who dwells within them.

Do Momrons believe that throughout their life God's Spirit dwells within them? Or do Mormons believe that if they live a righteous enough life God will then add His Spirit to them? Please answer this most vital of questions in your own heart. Your eternal destiny is actually riding on it.

[MHGinTN]

You offered, "When the heart is right, works of righteousness naturally follow." And Norm, what is the thing that can make the heart right? And what does it mean to say 'the heart is right'?

It takes the Life of God in the heart of man, to live the nature of God in the world. Jesus did it 24/7/365. Christians do it to the extent that they accept the leadership of the Lord who dwells within them.

Do Mormons believe that throughout their life God's Spirit dwells within them? Or do Mormons believe that if they live a righteous enough life God will then add His Spirit to them? Please answer this most vital of questions in your own heart. Your eternal destiny is actually riding on it.

[Colofornian]

simply believing Jesus is the Son of God is not enough to enter heaven. [Stourme]

Wow!

And this from a Mormon whose system claims that just about everbody is going to eventually be "saved"?? (perhaps all except the Hitler types and those who were Mormons & left the church?)

Why don't you talk about, for all readers & lurkers, Stourme, who you believe will get to be with Heavenly Father forever?

Can you say...
...you have to be a Mormon church member...
...who is married and not divorced...
...and who was married to that partner or partners "for eternity" as sealed in the Mormon temple...
...and you have to be a temple Mormon in good standing throughout all your life, including tithing 10%??

Otherwise, ANY...
...Mormons like non-temple Mormons...
...including those who have fallen on rough economic times and can no longer tithe 10% -- or many poor Haitians for example...
...single Mormons who were never married "for eternity" as sealed by the Mormon church...
...divorced, not-remarried Mormons...
...married temple-Mormons not married to a temple Mormon in good standing...
...or ANY non-Mormon...
...well, all the above can just get on the back-of-the heavenly bus & head for another planet where Heavenly Father supposedly won't reside.

This, ALL, is the great "secret" of Mormonism revealed.

And what a "diss" that is to the God of the universe!

To claim that heaven can actually be considered "Heaven" without the ongoing Presence of Heavenly Father

I mean just wow!

So I've arranged below for a new Mormon "oath" -- a vow every TB Mormon can utter and confess:

"I, John or Jane Mormon -- as opposed to Jack Mormon,
confess before Heavenly Father
that I deem heaven to be heaven for 99.something percent of those who have ever lived or will live
even though, You, Father won't be living with them for eternity.
I, therefore, solemnly declare, confess, and profess
that I loudly proclaim before the entire world
that I consider Heaven to be heaven
for the non-Mormons and all the 'ineligible' majority of Mormons
Despite my understanding that You won't be there forever with them."

Signed
John or Jane Mormon

[Normandy]

Hi MHG,

We believe that the Holy Spirit can dwell in our hearts throughout our lives.

Book of Mormon, Moroni Chapter 8:

25 And the first fruits of repentance is baptism; and baptism cometh by faith unto the fulfilling the commandments; and the fulfilling the commandments bringeth remission of sins;

26 And the remission of sins bringeth meekness, and lowliness of heart; and because of meekness and lowliness of heart cometh the visitation of the Holy Ghost, which Comforter filleth with hope and perfect love, which love endureth by diligence unto prayer, until the end shall come, when all the saints shall dwell with God.