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Was Mary Sinless?
The Aristophrenium ^ | 12/05/2010 | " Fisher"

Posted on 12/05/2010 6:14:57 PM PST by RnMomof7

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To: RnMomof7; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; Belteshazzar; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; caww; ...

I don’t think the Catholic nastiness has died down.

How long you want to guess before this thread gets locked by it?


41 posted on 12/05/2010 6:49:05 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Salvation

Can you provide the scripture that says that she was “the ark of the covenant?”


42 posted on 12/05/2010 6:50:17 PM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: narses
LUKE 1:48 “Because He hath regarded the humility of His Handmaid; for behold from henceforth ALL GENERATIONS SHALL CALL ME BLESSED.”

Blessed is not sinless it is blessed.. All the Jewish girls wanted to be the mother of Israels savior.. so she was blessed by the honor.. The blesser is sinless not the blessed ... Luk 11:27 And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed [is] the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked. [Select for Copy; Double click to (de-)select all] Luk 11:28 But he said, Yea rather, blessed [are] they that hear the word of God, and keep it.

43 posted on 12/05/2010 6:50:22 PM PST by RnMomof7 (Gal 4:16 asks "Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?")
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To: Salvation
Your proof?

"All have sinned and fall short of the Glory of God". That's in the Bible somewhere; I'm sure of it.
44 posted on 12/05/2010 6:50:34 PM PST by armydoc
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To: metmom

Hey, if you find happiness by trashing the Mother of Our Lord and Savior, I won’t stand in the way.

Thousands of years of theological study and discussion give way to your prejudice.

You win the thread, I suppose.


45 posted on 12/05/2010 6:51:35 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Lt. Drebin: Like a blind man at an orgy, I was going to have to feel my way through.)
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To: Salvation; RnMomof7
Thats interesting.

And theologically wrong.

The Temple with the Ark was still in Jerusalem and the temple sacrifices were still being performed. The Old Covenant had not passed until Christs death and the veil torn. Christ himself went to the temple and observed the law.

Mary herself offered a guilt offering to the priest.

47 posted on 12/05/2010 6:52:42 PM PST by mountn man (The pleasure you get from life, is equal to the attitude you put into it.)
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To: Salvation

All of mankind needed saving after sin was found in Adam.
In Luke 2:47 Mary says “And my Spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.”


48 posted on 12/05/2010 6:52:55 PM PST by Keflavik76
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To: narses
Just how many people were "born without original sin"? We're up to 2 plus Jesus Christ now.

but it is what may be called a pious and probable belief among Catholics.

A "probable" belief? The more the RCC opens her mouth to explain her beliefs, the worse it gets for anyone who tries to make sense of this 2000-year-old-2-BILLION-plus group of "representatives" of Christ. But keep going. You have 2000 years of tradition to back up your claims...and lots of implicit scripture to decode for the 'faithful'.

49 posted on 12/05/2010 6:53:41 PM PST by smvoice (Defending the Indefensible: The Pride of a Pawn.)
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To: armydoc; Salvation
: "All have sinned and fall short of the Glory of God". That's in the Bible somewhere; I'm sure of it.

Actually the Catholic church itself teaches that only Jesus could keep the whole law perfectly..and THAT is a description of sinless:)

50 posted on 12/05/2010 6:54:00 PM PST by RnMomof7 (Gal 4:16 asks "Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?")
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Amen, Well Put.

God Bless


51 posted on 12/05/2010 6:54:05 PM PST by jafojeffsurf ( Return to the Constitution.)
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To: Salvation
Mary was the Ark of the New Covenant -- carrying Christ within her womb. Of course, she was pure and sinless. Why would anyone ever doubt that?

Because she was human.

The Ark of the Covenant was built by sinful human hands.

There is nothing in Scripture which supports that view of Mary anyway. The types found in Scripture that are mentioned in the New Testament as types are types of Christ or types of baptism.

Any made up outside of that do not have the legitimacy attached to them that the Scriptural types of Christ have.

52 posted on 12/05/2010 6:54:36 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: RnMomof7

Mary was simply an obedient human.
When God called, she obeyed. Thats all.

The Bible speaks of only one sinless person and that Jesus Christ. If Mary was sinless, then God would have said so. Since God did not say Mary was without sin in the Bible then she was a good person, but a sinner JUST LIKE US.

I know thew Catholic church likes to make stuff up. I used to be Catholic. But the point is this: If its not in the Bible, then its just a fairy tale. The RCC doesn’t get to add arbitrary things to the Word of God.

So the doctrine of Purgatory is fake. Not in the Bible? Toss it out!

Mary was not an eternal virgin. Not in the Bible? Toss it out! The Bible says Jesus had brothers. He was not an only child.

Prayer to saints? Not in the Bible? Toss it out!
Nowhere is there an example of people praying to the dead in the Bible. Zip. Nada. Nowhere!

The RCC likes to call these added heresies tradition. But is tradition mentioned in the Bible? Mary was simply an obedient human.
When God called, she obeyed. Thats all.

The Bible speaks of only one sinless person and that Jesus Christ. If Mary was sinless, then God would have said so. Since God did not say Mary was without sin in the Bible then she was a good person, but a sinner JUST LIKE US.

I know thew Catholic church likes to make stuff up. I used to be Catholic. But the point is this: If its not in the Bible, then its just a fairy tale. The RCC doesn’t get to add arbitrary things to the Word of God.

So the doctrine of Purgatory is fake. Not in the Bible? Toss it out!

Mary was not an eternal virgin. Not in the Bible? Toss it out! The Bible says Jesus had brothers. He was not an only child.

Prayer to saints? Not in the Bible? Toss it out!
Nowhere is there an example of people praying to the dead in the Bible. Zip. Nada. Nowhere!

The RCC likes to call these added heresies tradition. But is tradition mentioned in the Bible? NO! Toss it out!
There is NO authority granted to the Catholic church to just make up crap and add it to the Holy Word of God, but thats just what they do.

Wiser people like me who believe in Jesus, are eventually forced to leave the RCC by their own inability to understand the very things of God.


53 posted on 12/05/2010 6:54:38 PM PST by Cyclops08
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To: freedumb2003

No, she wasn’t. God said, “all have sinned” and that included Mary.


54 posted on 12/05/2010 6:54:52 PM PST by MamaB
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To: anniegetyourgun; RnMomof7

RnMomof7 suggested that she might have been and that such would mean nothing. Or words to that effect. All meant with the greatest respect, no doubt, right RnMomof7?

Hey RnMomof7 what does your splinter of the Presbyterian schism say about Mary? Is it the claims about her sex life you posted, or was that just you?


55 posted on 12/05/2010 6:55:06 PM PST by narses ( 'Prefer nothing to the love of Christ.')
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To: RnMomof7

No, she was not. Christs line goes through Rahab, I mean come on folks, only a Catholic could believe such a thing, this is why the ascension of Mary came about (and very recently) since they think she was without sin they had to have her acend and never die, I feel sorry for those that believe such things.


56 posted on 12/05/2010 6:55:10 PM PST by Scythian
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To: Salvation
Mary was the Ark of the New Covenant -- carrying Christ within her womb. Of course, she was pure and sinless.

Using that logic, it would be logical to conclude that Mary's mother was sinless as well. We couldn't have the sinless "Ark of the Covenant" be carried in the womb of a sinful human, could we?
57 posted on 12/05/2010 6:55:23 PM PST by armydoc
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To: MamaB

Who ya gonna believe? God’s Word (which you are not qualified to read) or the RCC?

/sarc, by the way


58 posted on 12/05/2010 6:55:52 PM PST by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: mountn man; Salvation
The Temple with the Ark was still in Jerusalem and the temple sacrifices were still being performed. The Old Covenant had not passed until Christs death and the veil torn. Christ himself went to the temple and observed the law.

Good theology friend.. What we call the Gospels were actually Old Testament , Jesus lived under the law and kept it perfectly for us !! The New Testament began at the Resurrection ...

60 posted on 12/05/2010 6:56:55 PM PST by RnMomof7 (Gal 4:16 asks "Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?")
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