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To: marbren; editor-surveyor
Thank you so much for your question, dear marbren!

I believe the root of the problem is in the Hebrew word nephilim which means "giant" and occurs in Genesis 6:4 in reference to the offspring of the Watcher-angels and mortal women and again in Numbers 13:33 in reference to Goliath and family.

Some assume that this means the offspring of the Watcher-angels and mortal women survived the Noah Flood. But they didn't:

And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man: All in whose nostrils [was] the breath of life, of all that [was] in the dry [land], died. - Genesis 7:21-22

As editor-surveyor replied, Enoch says that the offspring physically died in the Noah Flood but their spirits survived and continued to roam the earth as demons.

One of the Enoch manuscripts suggests that the Noah Flood was targeted to the destruction of the Watchers' children and the Watcher's influence on men. The Watchers had taught men such things as weaponry, warfare and cosmetics. In effect, that would entail the destruction of "civilization."

You might find it interesting in that science discovered evidence that all civilizations around the world were destroyed simultaneously. Of course they attribute it to comets - though IMHO, it points to the Noah Flood:

Comets and Disasters in the Bronze Age

At some time around 2300 BC, give or take a century or two, a large number of the major civilisations of the world collapsed, simultaneously it seems. The Akkadian Empire in Mesopotamia, the Old Kingdom in Egypt, the Early Bronze Age civilisation in Israel, Anatolia and Greece, as well as the Indus Valley civilisation in India, the Hilmand civilisation in Afghanistan and the Hongshan Culture in China - the first urban civilisations in the world - all fell into ruin at more or less the same time. Why? …

Some decades ago, the hunt for clues passed largely into the hands of natural scientists. Concentrating on the earlier set of Bronze Age collapses, researchers began to find a range of evidence that suggested that natural causes rather than human actions, may have been initially responsible. There began to be talk of climate change, volcanic activity, and earthquakes - and some of this material has now found its way into standard historical accounts of the period.

Agreement, however, there has never been. Some researchers favoured one type of natural cause, others favoured another, and the problem remained that no single explanation appeared to account for all the evidence…. The hunt for natural causes for these human disasters began when the Frenchman Claude Schaeffer, one of the leading archaeologists of his time, published his book ‘Stratigraphie Comparee et Chronologie L’Asie Occidentale’ in 1948. Schaeffer analysed and compared the destruction layers of more than 40 archaeological sites in the Near and Middle East, from Troy to Tepe Hissar on the Caspian Sea and from the Levant to Mesopotamia. He was the first scholar to detect that all had been totally destroyed several times in the Early, Middle and Late Bronze Age, apparently simultaneously.

Since the damage was far too excessive and did not show signs of military or human involvement, he argued that repeated earthquakes might have been responsible for these events. At the time he published, Schaeffer was not taken seriously by the world of archaeology. Since then, however, natural scientists have found widespread and unambiguous evidence for abrupt climate change, sudden sea level changes, catastrophic inundations, widespread seismic activity and evidence for massive volcanic activity at several periods since the last Ice Age, but particularly at around 2200BC, give or take 200 years.

Areas such as the Sahara, or around the Dead Sea, were once farmed but became deserts. Tree rings show disastrous growth conditions at c 2350BC, while sediment cores from lakes and rivers in Europe and Africa show a catastrophic drop in water levels at this time. In Mesopotamia, vast areas of land appear to have been devastated, inundated, or totally burned...

Yet what was the cause of these earthquakes, eruptions, tidal waves, fire-blasts and climate changes? By the late 1970s, British astronomers Victor Clube and Bill Napier of Oxford University had begun to investigate cometary impact as the ultimate cause. Then in 1980, the Nobel prizewinning physicist Luis Alvarez and his colleagues published their famous paper in ‘Science’ that argued that a cosmic impact had led to the extinction of the dinosaurs.. He showed that large amounts of the element iridium present in geological layers dating from about 65 million BC had a cosmic origin. Alvarez’s paper had immense influence and stimulated further research by such British astronomers as Clube and Napier, Prof Mark Bailey of the Armagh Observatory, Duncan Steel of Spaceguard Australia, and Britain’s best known astronomer Sir Fred Hoyle. All now support the theory of cometary impact and loosely form what is now known as the British School of Coherent Catastrophism.

These scholars envisage trains of cometary debris which repeatedly encounter the Earth. We know that tiny particles of cosmic material penetrate the atmosphere every day, but their impact is insignificant.

Occasionally, however, cosmic debris measuring between one and several hundred metres in diametre strike the Earth and these can have catastrophic effects on our ecological system, through multimegaton explosions of fireballs which destroy natural and cultural features on the surface of the Earth by means of tidal-wave floods (if the debris lands in the sea), fire blasts and seismic damage…

The extent to which past cometary impacts were responsible for civilisation collapse, cultural change, even the development of religion, must remain a hypothesis. But in view of the astronomical, geological and archaeological evidence, this ‘giant comet’ hypothesis should no longer be dismissed by archaeologists out of hand.

God's Name is I AM.

217 posted on 12/17/2011 10:58:13 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl
Thank You Alamo-Girl for the information! Very very interesting! I agree that the flesh did not survive the flood and it seems that demons are the wandering spirits of the corrupt flesh that died in the flood. Therefore they may not be fallen angels which was my understanding until this week. But that is OK because I am teachable.

Did the seed survive after Noah and start again? I heard Nimrod may have been 25 feet tall? Maybe all it took was for Ham not to follow the will of God?

Genesis 9:18-25 (NIV)

18 The sons of Noah who came out of the ark were Shem, Ham and Japheth. (Ham was the father of Canaan.) 19 These were the three sons of Noah, and from them came the people who were scattered over the whole earth. 20 Noah, a man of the soil, proceeded[a] to plant a vineyard. 21 When he drank some of its wine, he became drunk and lay uncovered inside his tent. 22 Ham, the father of Canaan, saw his father naked and told his two brothers outside. 23 But Shem and Japheth took a garment and laid it across their shoulders; then they walked in backward and covered their father’s naked body. Their faces were turned the other way so that they would not see their father naked. 24 When Noah awoke from his wine and found out what his youngest son had done to him, 25 he said, “Cursed be Canaan! The lowest of slaves will he be to his brothers.”

218 posted on 12/18/2011 10:08:10 AM PST by marbren (I do not know but, Thank God, God knows)
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To: Alamo-Girl
Hi Alamo-Girl I had a new thought about idol worship. You and I have discussed these speculations of mine in the past.

My understanding of it had grown to the point where I said idol worship is anything we put our trust in other than Our Lord Jesus Christ.

How about this new thought: anything we put our trust in or FEAR other than Our Lord Jesus Christ.

305 posted on 01/05/2012 6:10:55 AM PST by marbren (I do not know but, Thank God, God knows)
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