Quote Scripture to me MHG ... I deal in the Doctrines not in the twisted fantasies that you distort from someone journal.
Let’s talk Scriptures .... or can you back your beliefs up with them?
Notice: Since there has been a lot of accusations about who is Christian and who is not, I’ve invited a few of somewhat different ‘persuasions’ to observe or even reply.
**Quote Scripture to me MHG ... I deal in the Doctrines not in the twisted fantasies that you distort from someone journal. Let’s talk Scriptures .... or can you back your beliefs up with them?**
I can, but refuse your BoM, as it’s been proven to be a compilation of rewritten scripture, mixed with other ‘stuff’. AND... I must say I’m from west central IL, and can tell you that if just a tiny fraction, of the ‘negative publicity and old wives tales’ that has been passed on from generation to generation is true, Mr. Smith was a really bad dude. Since that is not scripture, I’ll move on to the Word, and take you to task.
You say that the Christ didn’t believe in a three person trinity of God. That is correct, but you still don’t know who God is. MHGinTN took you to John chapter 1, so lets start there:
John 1:1 states that ‘IN THE BEGINNING was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God’. God does not have a ‘beginning’, but his magnificent plan did. That chapter 1 intro culminates with John 1:14 (the Word was made flesh) is to be read with the understanding of the mystery of the Godhead, and there is a multitude of other scriptures that harmonize with it.
That verse is explaining that God’s Spirit, God’s mind, even his very righteous plan for mankind, was made audibly and visibly manifest to man, by meeting mankind on their very mortal level. The main theme repeated over and over in John is the fact that the Father (Spirit) is in the Son (flesh w/a soul, created by God), and that the FATHER is the source of ALL things divine.
God is Christ, only if you’re referring to the Father dwelling in him, which is undeniable fact. Most notably in John chapters 5, 8, 10, 14, 15, and 16, Jesus Christ spoke a great deal about ‘the Father’ in him, teaching him all things, telling what to say, doing the ‘works’, etc. When speaking of God dwelling in himself, the Christ calls him the Father, not the Holy Ghost. (As we know, the Holy Ghost is “..the Comforter..which PROCEEDETH FROM the Father..”. John 15:26)
IN those chapters are some very clear claims by the Christ:
John 5:19 “..the Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do..” The Man that God SENT (God doesn’t need to be sent anywhere, he’s already omnipresent) received instruction on EVERYTHING. God doesn’t need instruction on anything, for he knows ALL things.
John 5:26 “For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he GIVEN to the SON to have life in himself.” God can’t be given anything he doesn’t already have. God is the giver of life, not the receiver.
John 5:27 “And hath GIVEN him (the SON) AUTHORITY to execute judgement also, because he is the Son of man.” God is the GIVER of authority, not the receiver.
John 6:37 “All that the Father hath GIVEN me shall come to me..”.
John 8:28 “..as my Father hath TAUGHT me, I speak these things.”
John 10:27-30 “My sheep hear my voice.... My Father, which GAVE them me is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father’s hand. I and my Father are one (by now you should see the flow of power consistantly coming from the Father to the Son)
John 14 is the ‘heavy iron’ of this revelation of the Godhead. “I am the way, the truth ,and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye KNOW him. and have SEEN him.......he that hath SEEN me hath SEEN the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the WORDS (REMEMBER JOHN 1:1??) that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that DWELLETH IN ME(HELLLOOOO?), he doeth the works.” vss 6-10.
Red letter bibles show ‘the words of Christ’ in red, but don’t differentiate when he speaks as a man, or when he speaks as the Almighty God. For example, as mortal man: “ I thirst”, “I of mine own self do nothing..”, and think on this one a moment, “But of that day and hour knoweth....my Father only” (the ‘2nd and 3rd persons’ don’t know??); but as God the Father: “ I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven”.
The Father and the Son are fused. Also, after the resurrection, there are no mortal man comments (”take this cup from me”, a cry indicating the limits of the flesh). Christ’s will of the flesh died and did not ‘resurrect’. Jesus Christ did NOT correct Thomas for calling him “My Lord and my God”. He, along with the other disciples, were enlightened 6 chapters earlier; thoroughly taught that the Father was in him and he in the Father, and that they were one.
Matthew 28:19, “..baptizing them in the name (singular) of the Father (comma) and of the Son (comma) and of the Holy Ghost..”, is often used as the scriptural ‘centerpiece’ of trinitarianism.
What is the NAME? Read on.
Jesus Christ was addressing his disciples. They KNEW who he was. And they KNEW that the NAME (singular) was one.
Jesus made it clear that he INHERITTED his name, saying that he came in his “Father’s name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his OWN name, him ye shall receive” (John 5:43).
“...as he hath by INHERITANCE obtained a better name than they.” Heb. 1:4
Jesus Christ declared that the Holy Ghost would be sent in HIS name. John 14:26
That’s why the apostles baptized in the NAME of JESUS.
In conclusion: God the Father made the body and soul of Jesus Christ and dwells in him, which is why Christ is the fulness of the Godhead bodily; the infinite God (Spirit) placing all power in him. That’s why Christ is the true God and eternal life, fulling Isaiah 9:6, where he is called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace”.