To: Cronos
but, in faith, the human intellect and will co-operate with divine graceThat is a semi-to-full Pelagian heresy.
2,023 posted on
01/30/2011 1:30:09 AM PST by
Dr. Eckleburg
("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
To: Dr. Eckleburg
The fumble-fingered Rabid Calvinist Cult wishes to make everyone bow down to their interpretation and state that false Calvinism is supposed to be the be-all and end-all of Christianity --> that's WRONG.
According to the followers of Calvin, if man can resist God then God is no longer a Sovereign God and man is Sovereign. Thus they claim that it is impossible for man to accept or reject God’s salvation.
however, the Bible says man does resist and reject God, and this has been true since the earliest days: Adam rejected God’s Word. Cain rejected it. Noah’s generation rejected it. The men gathered at the Tower of Babel rejected it.
Calvinism is NOT biblical.
To: Dr. Eckleburg
Another good proof against Calvinist false teachings is at
called to communion
Which points out that
A second problem with the Reformed conception is the following dilemma. If God the Father was pouring out His wrath on the Second Person of the Trinity, then God was divided against Himself, God the Father hating His own Word.
God could hate the Son only if the Son were another being, that is, if polytheism or Arianism were true.
But if God loved the Son, then it must be another person (besides the Son) whom God was hating during Christs Passion. And hence that entails Nestorianism, i.e. that Christ was two persons, one divine and the other human. He loved the divine Son but hated the human Jesus.
Hence the Reformed conception conflicts with the orthodox doctrine of the Trinity
To: Dr. Eckleburg
Another good proof against Calvinist false teachings is at
called to communion
Which points out that
A second problem with the Reformed conception is the following dilemma. If God the Father was pouring out His wrath on the Second Person of the Trinity, then God was divided against Himself, God the Father hating His own Word.
God could hate the Son only if the Son were another being, that is, if polytheism or Arianism were true.
But if God loved the Son, then it must be another person (besides the Son) whom God was hating during Christs Passion. And hence that entails Nestorianism, i.e. that Christ was two persons, one divine and the other human. He loved the divine Son but hated the human Jesus.
Hence the Reformed conception conflicts with the orthodox doctrine of the Trinity
To: Dr. Eckleburg
the OPC/PCA dreams of a police state like Geneva, where they attacked fellow Protestants as exemplified in
- Belot, an Anabaptist was arrested for passing out tracts in Geneva and also accusing Calvin of excessive use of wine. With his books and tracts burned, he was banished from the city and told not to return on pain of hanging (J.L. Adams, The Radical Reformation, pp. 597-598).
- Jacques Gruent was racked and then executed for calling Calvin a hypocrite
- A man who publicly protested against the reformer's doctrine of predestination was flogged at all the crossways of the city and then expelled.
- Calvin's Letter to the Marquis Paet, chamberlain to the King of Navarre, 1561. "Honour, glory, and riches shall be the reward of your pains; but above all, do not fail to rid the country of those scoundrels [Anabaptists and others], who stir up the people to revolt against us. Such monsters should be exterminated, as I have exterminated Michael Servetus the Spaniard."
Sources quoted in Philip Schaff's History of the Christian Church, vol. 8:
- "The death penalty against heresy, idolatry and blasphemy and barbarous customs of torture were retained. Attendance at public worship was commanded on penalty of three sols. Watchmen were appointed to see that people went to church. The members of the Consistory visited every house once a year to examine the faith and morals of the family. Every unseemly word and act on the street was reported, and the offenders were cited before the Consistory to be either censured and warned, or to be handed over to the Council for severer punishment."
- Several women, among them the wife of Ami Perrin, the captain-general, were imprisoned for dancing.
- A man was banished from the city for three months because on hearing an ass bray, he said jestingly 'He prays a beautiful psalm.'
- A young man was punished because he gave his bride a book on housekeeping with the remark: 'This is the best Psalter.'
- Three men who laughed during a sermon were imprisoned for three days.
- Three children were punished because they remained outside of the church during the sermon to eat cakes.
- A man who swore by the 'body and blood of Christ' was fined and condemned to stand for an hour in the pillory on the public square.
- A child was whipped for calling his mother a thief and a she-devil.
- A girl was beheaded for striking her parents.
- A banker was executed for repeated adultery.
- A person named Chapuis was imprisoned for four days because he persisted in calling his child Claude (a Roman Catholic saint) instead of Abraham.
- Men and women were burnt to death for witchcraft. (See Pike, pp. 55,56).
From Other Sources:
- Belot, an Anabaptist was arrested for passing out tracts in Geneva and also accusing Calvin of excessive use of wine. With his books and tracts burned, he was banished from the city and told not to return on pain of hanging (J.L. Adams, The Radical Reformation, pp. 597-598).
- Martin Luther said of Calvin's actions in Geneva, "With a death sentence they solve all argumentation" (Juergan L. Neve, A History of Christian Thought, vol. I, p. 285).
- "About the month of January 1546, a member of the Little Council, Pierre Ameaux, asserted that Calvin was nothing but a wicked man - who was preaching false doctrine. Calvin felt that his authority as an interpreter of the Word of God was being attacked: he so completely identified his own ministry with the will of God that he considered Ameaux's words as an insult to the honour of Christ. The Magistrates offered to make the culprit beg Calvin's pardon on bended knees before the Council of the Two Hundred, but Calvin found this insufficient. On April 8, Ameaux was sentenced to walk all round the town, dressed only in a shirt, bareheaded and carrying a lighted torch in his hand, and after that to present himself before the tribunal and cry to God for mercy" (F. Wendel, Calvin, pp. 85, 86).
"Doth a fountain send forth at the same place sweet water and bitter?" James 3:11.
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