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To: betty boop; HarleyD; Dr. Eckleburg; MarkBsnr; Alamo-Girl; metmom; xzins; Cronos; caww; Mad Dawg; ...
kosta: Who determines if you should believe, God or man? betty boop: Ultimately, I do — in response to God's living appeal, given in four revelations....

Then you are the final and supreme authority that determines if you are "saved" or not "saved." From your response, it seems you believe that man is the ultimate god.

Then there must be as many gods as there are believers! And God is just the provider, not not the decider! LOL! How convenient.

2,129 posted on 01/30/2011 11:58:47 AM PST by kosta50 (Pagan prayer to Mithra: "give me over to immortal birth so that I may be born again")
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To: kosta50; Alamo-Girl; xzins; HarleyD; Dr. Eckleburg; MarkBsnr; YHAOS; metmom; Cronos; caww; ...
Oh, the "dialogue" goes like this:

kosta50: Who determines if you should believe, God or man?

betty boop: Ultimately, I do — in response to God's living appeal, given in four revelations....

kosta50: Then you are the final and supreme authority that determines if you are "saved" or not "saved." From your response, it seems you believe that man is the ultimate god.

But your last statement is a total non sequitur, kosta! My belief in God is not in any way the "supreme authority" which "determines" my salvation. God is the supreme authority, always and everlastingly. My life is in His hands. He alone is my Judge; on Him my salvation entirely depends.

Are you trying to put God and me on the same ground, kosta dear? But this cannot and does not work. This would be a category error....

As for your conclusion, drawn from that error — "Then there must be as many gods as there are believers! " — this is total nonsense. It lacks logical basis, given the inequivalency of God and man.

As for your last observation: God provides; He gives us everything we need for the exercise of the free will which He endued in us. Having free will, we are moral agents.

But God is Principal.... freely allowing his "agents" to make their own free decisions — subject only to His Final Judgment.

Thanks for writing dear kosta!

2,143 posted on 01/30/2011 12:54:01 PM PST by betty boop (Seek truth and beauty together; you will never find them apart. — F. M. Cornford)
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To: kosta50; betty boop
Actually, let's see:

You asked who determines if a person should believe. Betty said that each man determines if they should or should not believe.

The statement Then you are the final and supreme authority that determines if you are "saved" or not "saved." is a non-sequitor and the statement From your response, it seems you believe that man is the ultimate god. is quite incorrect assumption.

I disagree with Betty's statement -- man chooses if they want to beleive or not. Determines has a stronger connotation than choosing. Making a choice does not imply divinity either.
2,157 posted on 01/30/2011 2:01:59 PM PST by Cronos
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