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To: count-your-change
can say what about the effects of inter-dimensional space on the flow of time as it is compressed around event --> because God exists outside this inter-dimensional space and time.

God does not exist in time -- do you agree with this?

As seen in revelation, the ONE-time event of Christ's sacrifice that happened ONCE in our history time-line, is seen quite differently in heaven which is OUTSIDE our timeline.

Just as this is the heavenly sacrifice which corresponds to the ONE-time event.

Let's see if I can simplify it:

1,155 posted on 01/28/2011 1:08:53 AM PST by Cronos
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To: Cronos; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; caww; count-your-change; ...

When Jesus came to earth, was born, lived, and died, He existed IN time.

He died IN time.

Now outside of time, he’s seated at God’s right hand as stated in Hebrews 10.

THAT it the actual reality of what is going on now OUTSIDE of time.


1,181 posted on 01/28/2011 5:31:39 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Cronos

“Let’s see if I can simplify it:
Christ’s death happened once in our past. The sacrifice is done, it will not be repeated
God exists outside time, as does heaven
The mass is the participation in the same heavenly offering, the same sacrifice”

If “God exists outside time, as does heaven” then all terms pertaining to time past, present and future have no real meaning and therefore saying “once, past, done, happened (past tense), is (present tense)” have no real relationship to any statements about God or heaven.
To so say would be like saying, “the material qualities of immaterial things”, self contradictory.

On the other hand Jesus clearly says things like, “in the day (future) I will do (future)” and “concerning that hour no one knows...only the father”, and so forth.
So God, Jesus, heaven all exist and are spoken of as existing “within time”.

Sophistry and word games just don’t fly. Even when I toss in some silliness like “can say what about the effects of inter-dimensional space on the flow of time as it is compressed around event” it fits neatly with all the rest of the “out of time” word games.

One of the very first things the Bible does is tell us how time begins “in the beginning” and how God marks off time “day one, evening and morning”, “day two, evening and morning”, etc.


1,211 posted on 01/28/2011 8:31:04 AM PST by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Cronos
# The sacrifice is done, it will not be repeated ...It CANNOT be repeated. Once is once.

# God exists outside time, as does heaven...The Spirit of God lives within me, I'm not outside of time.

# The mass is the participation in the same heavenly offering, the same sacrifice.... How can it be the same sacrifice when it cannot be repeated? It's more like mimicking His death.

Catholics are mocking the death of Christ with this ritual. Well, 30% are - Only 30% of [Roman] Catholics said believe they are really and truly receiving the body, blood, soul and divinity of the Lord Jesus Christ under the appearance of bread and wine.

It's not so strange why Christ's death is the daily focus of the counterfeit church; so much so, that it makes it's own doctrine - when The Power is in HIS RESURRECTION where death, hell and the grave (satan) were defeated.
1,212 posted on 01/28/2011 8:35:10 AM PST by presently no screen name
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